Member: diana b.
Location:
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 11:26:28 AM

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Today is my first day sober. I am looking to find meetings in nyc for women only. Does anyone know listings of those on the internet or the # to call ? Pls help. Thank you.


Member: joe mama
Location:
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 12:18:19 PM

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hi diana, im kokomo joe,i am a real stud muffin.


Member: Sarah
Location: NW USA
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 12:42:18 PM

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diana, look in the telephone book for the phone number of Alcoholic Anonymous in your area. You can ask where a woman's meeting is, they will be glad to help! I live on the west coast. When I phoned the first time, I was drunk. But they talked with me...it was a man but he found a woman and after some conversation they came to my house giving me a ride to my first meeting. I was a bit of a tough case, I kept getting drunk, kept calling and they kept helping. They even had a sense of humour...told me I was a very lonely alcoholic who still wanted to drink...how true! But I did sober up, and I still keep coming back. Try the phone book, sober members of Alcoholic Anonymous will be glad to help you! KEEP COMING BACK!


Member: Redneck I.
Location: Wilderness
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 2:55:32 PM

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Do you know what the Will of the true Living God is on this? If not you had better find out!!

Macedonia - the next powder keg?

What is unfolding in Macedonia today confirms what we have always said. There will never be a solution to the National Question on the Balkans so long as the underlying economic and social problems remain. As Lenin pointed out the National Question is essentially a question of bread. Macedonia is one of the poorest, if not the poorest country in Europe.

Unemployment stands at about 40%. However, among the Albanian minority (which makes up about 22% of the overall Macedonian population of 2 million) unemployment has reached the staggering figure of 60%! Average annual GDP per capita stands at about $1000. The break-up of the former Yugoslavia has been an absolute disaster for Macedonia which was already, together with Kosovo, one of the poorest parts of the ex-Yugoslav federation. Between 1990 and 1995 the economy contracted each year, in 1990 by 10%, in 1993 by 9%. Only in 1996 did the economy begin to pick up again, but only by a miserable one per cent or so. Macedonia is at the mercy of the foreign powers which now dominate it, in particular US and West European imperialism. It has to import all its oil and gas, and most of its machinery.

It is not at all surprising therefore that it is precisely in this small country that the National Question is once more flaring up on the Balkans. The immediate conflict has broken out around the mountain village of Tanusevci near the border with Kosovo. Albanian gunmen had, a few weeks earlier, seized the village, but what brought the situation to the attention of the world media was the killing of three Macedonian soldiers on March 4th. The reaction of the Macedonian army was to launch a heavy attack on March 5th and push the Albanian fighters back into Kosovo. The conflict had in fact been brewing for some time. Already back in February there had been an attack on a Macedonian police station in Tetovo. Fears are now growing that the situation could spiral out of control.

The problems in Macedonia are similar to those in all the ex-Stalinist countries of Eastern Europe. The old state run planned economy has been, and is being, dismantled, but what is taking its place is not a system that can alleviate the social and economic problems of these countries. In many of Macedonia's neighbouring countries (Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria...) we have pro-Western, pro-bourgeois governments eager to be seen as loyal servants of imperialism. They are all pushing the line that privatisation and investment from the West is the only road for solving the crisis gripping these countries. They are, in reality, gangster outfits capable only of building an unstable Mafia-type capitalism, based on corruption, patronage...

The government of Macedonia is continuing with a programme of privatisation of state resources. At present a coalition, including one of the Albanian Nationalist parties, the DPA led by Xhaferri, is governing the country according to the "logic of pragmatic politics, in which either you take part in the division of what is left of the nation's wealth or you are marginalised, without power, without a stimulus for the party and without a financial base" (from an article published in 'Forum', 8-21 December 2000). In fact the divisions among the various political parties are dominated by the desire to get a share of the cake of what is left of the state assets. Each party has a clique at the top that wishes to become part of the new bourgeoisie. None of the major parties, whether from the Albanian minority or from the Slavic Macedonian majority, represent the real interests of the peoples of Macedonia. That is the tragedy of Macedonia today.

The workers of Macedonia hate the government. It has support only among the up and coming capitalists (mainly based on foreign capital) and the nationalist petit-bourgeoisie. The working class have no confidence in this government. Unfortunately they do not have an alternative to turn to. The trade union leaders are ineffective and divided among themselves. However, recently we saw an example of the potential militancy of the working class. For three months (the strike ended on March 1st) the white collar workers of the judicial administration were out on strike. Practically the whole legal system was brought to a standstill for the duration of the strike. The strike revealed what the workers are capable of. The government tried to undermine the strike with all kinds of dirty tricks, such as bribery, withdrawal of wages, conspiratorial manoeuvres... The government, at one point, even tried to raise a scandal against the leader of the strike, but this had the opposite effect to what they had hoped. It in fact strengthened the resolve of the workers. Unfortunately this strike remained limited to one sector and did not involve the whole of the working class.

Precisely, because the workers do not have a genuine socialist alternative to turn to, the spectre of national conflict is coming back to haunt the area. We have witnessed this scenario many times before. If the labour movement proves incapable of providing an alternative then the vacuum left can be filled by the poison of nationalism and, in the conditions of the Balkans, this means war between the peoples that inhabit the area.

Unfortunately for the people of Macedonia, they are just one small pawn in the big game the Imperialist powers are playing throughout the whole of the Balkans. The main aim of imperialism in this area is to guarantee its economic and strategic interests. And to achieve this it will play one people off against another. One day they will "champion" the cause of the Albanians, only to abandon them the next. That is what has happened to the aspirations of the Albanians in Kosovo, and elsewhere. Let us remember that only two years ago NATO heavily bombed the Serb forces in Kosovo and also did extensive damage to many of the cities of Serbia itself. They did this in the name of defending the "poor" Albanian people. Now, in both Macedonia and Kosovo, NATO's Kfor troops have come into armed conflict with Albanian fighters. We consistently warned the Albanian people not to trust NATO. We explained that they would never achieve their aims if they allied themselves to NATO. That is now being proven by the events of the past few weeks.

Let us remember what we said over the past few years. We explained that Western imperialism would never tolerate an independent Kosovo precisely because this would tend to spread outwards, involving Montenegro and Macedonia, and that this would have far wider ranging consequences, that would be a threat to the real interests of imperialism.

In June 1995 we wrote the following: "The situation has reached a critical point in the last few years. If the Serbs were tied up in a war in the north, there would be the strong possibility of an uprising in Kosovo, which the Serb army would attempt to put down, with terrible bloodshed and the exodus of a large number of refugees. This would threaten to drag Albania into the conflict, since its shattered economy is in no position to absorb a huge influx of people.

"Most seriously of all, it would destabilise Macedonia where a very precarious balance exists between the Slav majority and the Albanian minority. The fact that the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is the most dangerous flashpoint in the Balkans is recognised by the international strategists of capital. That is why it is the only part of the ex-Yugoslavia where the USA has a military presence, albeit a token one. The Macedonian question has been at the root of other Balkan wars in the past. It has not been resolved by the declaration of an independent statelet called Macedonia. On the contrary. The old problem has thereby been put back on the agenda of Balkan politics.

"In reality, none of the surrounding states accepts the independence of the new Republic of Macedonia which used to be part of Yugoslavia. The Serbs still refer to it as 'Southern Serbia.' The Bulgarians have always maintained that the Macedonian Slavs are Bulgarians. The Albanians put themselves forward as the defenders of the sizeable Albanian minority in Macedonia, and would lay claim to at least part of its territory. The Greeks have been most vocal in their opposition to the setting up of a Macedonian republic. They blocked the recognition of the new state until it dropped the name of Macedonia in international usage. They have organised mass rallies with the slogan 'Macedonia is Greek' and launched an economic blockade of its northern neighbour.

"The attitude of Greece has enraged the EU, who are terrified of the consequences of the destabilisation of Macedonia. The Greek bourgeois has entered into a de facto alliance with Serbia. In the event of the war spreading, it is quite possible that Serbia will invade Macedonia on the pretext of defending the Serb minority there. It is likely that the Greek army would move across the border (purely as a 'defensive' move, of course). But this would not go unchallenged by the others. Bulgaria, Albania and, most importantly, Turkey immediately recognised the independence of Macedonia. Turkey and Albania, in addition, are in a military alliance. "

We repeated this point in June 1999, "Western imperialism does not want an independent Kosovo precisely because this would tend to move towards a Greater Albania, affecting Albania, Macedonia and even parts of Montenegro. It would involve the break up of Macedonia where a new war would inevitably be fought out. This time however countries like Greece and Turkey would be involved. It would mean an all Balkans war with two NATO members, Greece and Turkey on opposite sides. Thus, as events unfolding in places like Prizren show, NATO will be forced to disarm the KLA if it is to achieve any control over this whole bloody process."

The present events bring this nightmare scenario even closer. After the Macedonian army's 5th March attack against the Albanian guerrillas, NATO came down firmly on the side of the Macedonian army. The day prior to this attack the "governor" of Kosovo, Haekkerup and the commander of the KFOR troops, Cabigiosu, went to the capital of Macedonia, Skopje, where they came to an agreement with the Macedonian government on how to coordinate military operations. Thus the US troops, that are part of Kfor in Kosovo, occupied the small Kosovar village of Debelde, a base from where the Kosovar Albanians were carrying out their operations inside Macedonia, just across the border. At the same time, in the US controlled areas of Kosovo, a massive wave of arrests began to take place of anyone suspected of being an "Albanian extremist". This was the first serious armed conflict between NATO troops and Albanians!

Recently the government of Macedonia also signed an agreement with the Serbian government in which the border between the two countries has been fixed. This has upset the Albanians in Kosovo and in the surrounding countries because the agreement recognises that Kosovo is a part of Yugoslavia. Now that the friends of imperialism (the DOS) are in power in Serbia, NATO has turned against the Kosovars. This shows that the Kosovar Albanians were, as we have repeated many times, just one pawn in the imperialists' endeavour to overthrow Milosevic. It had nothing to do with defending "human rights", or the right of "self-determination". Now NATO is going one step further in betraying the Kosovar Albanians. They have recently allowed Serb troops into the "buffer zone" between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia and they are planning to gradually reduce the zone altogether.

Bulgaria also is showing an interest in stationing its troops in Macedonia. Its President, Stojanov, has offered to send Bulgarian troops to Macedonia's border with Kosovo. It has already provided the Macedonian army with tanks and other equipment and is preparing to massively increase this in the coming period. It has also announced that it intends to sign an agreement with NATO giving its troops permission to use Bulgarian territory for its operations in the area. The extreme right in Bulgaria have also been raising their voices against the Albanian minority in Macedonia, presenting it as a threat to "stability on the Balkans". The Macedonian government has asked for an international force to be stationed within a "security zone" on the border with Kosovo. The Serbian government immediately suggested it should be made up of Greek, Bulgarian and Yugoslav soldiers! The Greek government has also declared that it would provide troops to be sent to Macedonia as part of an international "peace-keeping force". And everything the Greeks do the Turks monitor carefully! As the Bulgarian journal, 'Sega' put it, "History has taught us that when such guests visit Macedonia, each one of these, from the very first day, are thinking of what they can steal from it." ('Sega', March 8th, 2001).

Thus all the forces that we referred to in our past material (Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Serbia...) are preparing to intervene in Macedonia. Of course they would do this disguised as "peace-keepers". In reality they would be carving out their own spheres of influence within Macedonia itself.

At the moment NATO is trying to avoid such a scenario, and is hoping to stem the conflict that is unfolding. It may succeed in the short term. But the underlying social and economic problems will not go away. The peoples of Macedonia urgently need to find a solution to unemployment, low wages and poor infrastructure. With the policies of the present government no such solution will be forthcoming. Thus in the long run, either the labour movement comes forward with a class alternative or nationalism will be whipped up on all sides and the danger of a new war will become a reality. The break up of Macedonia would be one more disaster to be added to the long list of disasters that have hit the ex-Yugoslav republics. If Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia cannot find a solution to their problems, what chance does Macedonia have? Recent events in Croatia, Serbia and Kosovo demonstrate that these problems have not been solved.

In Serbia itself, however much NATO and US imperialism may have intrigued, Milosevic proved very difficult to bring down. The task of bringing down Milosevic was accomplished only when the working class intervened decisively. He fell because of the internal contradictions that had built up. We were laughed at in the past when we pointed out that neither US bombs nor the KLA would defeat Milosevic, when we pointed out that the task of overthrowing Milosevic lay in the hands of the Serb working class. The lesson of the Serbian experience is that if you want a job done you have to do it yourself. Thus in Macedonia today the workers can trust only their own forces, and their own brothers and sisters, the workers of the rest of the Balkans. No foreign power is going to come into Macedonia with the idea of helping the working people of this small country.

The situation in the short term may seem grim, but we must raise the only real solution, the building of a Socialist Federation of all the Balkans. Every single one of the peoples that inhabit the Balkans has suffered as a result of the collapse of the planned economy. Standards of living have fallen dramatically. The wars in the ex-Yugoslavia are a part of this process. And so long as capitalism dominates in the area there will be no solution. One conflagration will be temporarily brought under control only for another conflict to breakout elsewhere. What is necessary is an economic integration of all the countries of the Balkans, a pooling of resources. Instead what we have is military spending on all sides to fight the local "enemy". Thus we see how imperialism dominates the area by playing off each small country against another. The working class of Macedonia (whether Macedonian speaking or Albanian speaking) have no interest in taking part in this carving out of spheres of influence.

There is no solution under capitalism, except for the building up of further contradictions and conflicts between the peoples. The killings that we have witnessed in the past ten years have been ghastly enough. Capitalism means each one of these small countries competing with each other for favours, for crumbs, from the Imperialists. However, if these countries were united into a Socialist Federation they would have the resources to begin tackling all the problems they face. But this could only be done on the basis of nationalising all the big companies in the area and setting up an all-Balkans plan of the economy.

That is why the task of Marxists on the Balkans is to work towards the establishment of genuine workers' parties in all these countries, that will pose a class alternative to the barbarism which threatens to further engulf the area.

by Fred Weston, March 15th

See also:

NATO's messy entry into Kosovo You will also find a series of articles on the situation in the former Yugoslavia at: http://www.marxist.com/balkans.asp or simply click on the Balkans button on our homepage

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Member: Mike L.
Location: NW Iowa, USA
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 3:57:22 PM

Comments

I like this step - Keeps things in perspective as to who is really running the show. I tried things my way, and ended up on the bottom of the dung heap for my efforts!

If I do my daily meditation, and keep in a grateful state of mind to my HP, things just seem to operate much more smoothly. It beats the mental whirl of trying to do it all by myself any day.

Prayers are pretty much along the lines of "help, please" in the morning to get through the day, and "thanks" at night for getting me there. Simple perhaps, but it works for me.

Thanks for letting me share, Mike L


Member: Inquiring Minds
Location: Want to know...
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 3:58:56 PM

Comments

Is it true that all Marxists have shriveled, tiny private parts? I think that's in the manifesto somewhere...


Member: Diane H.
Location: Tempe, Arizona
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 5:34:12 PM

Comments

Hi. I am just returning to seeking help through A.A. after several months of relapsing. What's with the revolutionary marxist's remarks showing up on two different group sites? I'll agree that life isn't fair; but what the @$#%&*@#*&! does that have to do with any of the steps to sobriety? Please, there are people out here in this unfair world that need a place to turn to for sobriety, not lessons in Marxism. I am grateful to read the comments left in the true spirit and guidelines of A.A. God bless, Diane


Member: ROSCO
Location:
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 5:52:28 PM

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INQUIRING MINDS,

I HAVE A VERY LARGE,FAT THICK DICK


Member: Lisa L.
Location: Lost in Texas
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 5:54:54 PM

Comments

Hello i am Lisa, alcoholic. I am extemely grateful for this step. it has been my main and only staple that has kept me sober for the long haul but especially in the past three months..I am in the military fresh out of basic and have not been to a meeting in almost three months. So contact with H.p. has been the only means by which I scape by sober one day at a time. Prayer and meditation are the most important things to me in my daily living. It is something that no matter where you are or who you are surrounded with you know that you have someone who understands and someone who will listen and be there for you infinitly. I have become extremely close with my H.P. because It is all I have. In working with this step has helped me through so much in the past couple of months especially with the old attitudes and behaviors that are reappearing lately. All I know is that I can not wait to get to a meeting in the next couple of weeks (when I am allowed.) Through the long haul of my expirences that I have had i know that I could not and would not of been able to accomplish anything without this program or my HP. In closing I wan to thank AA for helping me find my HP and thank my HP for helping me find AA.


Member: joe
Location:
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 6:48:19 PM

Comments

rosco stop rubbing it


Member: JAMES C.
Location: BOSTON,MA
Date: 3/18/01
Time: 7:43:23 PM

Comments

FRIST TIME ON LINE WITH THE FELLOWSHIP I PRACTICE THIS STEP REDIGOUSLY ON A DAILY BASES I BELEIVE I HAVE ASK FOR HELP ON A DAILY BASES WITH PRAY And MY HP I KNOW I JUST HAVE TODAY I HAVE TO KEEP THAT UP FRONT THANKS FOR LETTING ME SHARE


Member: bombs away
Location:
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 1:46:57 AM

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redneck,

who gives a shit?go fuk yer self.redchina

will finnish what hitler started anyway,then

we will kick them gooks ass hard and the rest


Member: oooohoho
Location:
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 1:49:12 AM

Comments

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Member: ChuckM
Location: Alberta
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 4:41:56 AM

Comments

I'm Chuck, an alcoholic

Step 11 is the daily program of AA. The first 9 steps restored me to sanity, a rational human being.

The steps have proved to me that by doing God's will (doing the steps) my life has changed for the better.

I am now smart enough to realize that if I keep God in front of me I can keep a better life. Step 11 provides me with a simple way of doing this

Step 11 says I need prayer and meditation to keep God in my conciousness. Pages 86 & 87 of the Big Book give me the necessary meditations & prayer.

If I want to stay right with my God then I cannot be selfish, dishonest, self-seeking or frightened. By remaining concious of God I very seldom hurt anyone anymore.

God's will for me at this stage is to practice step 12, the gratitude step

Step 11 gives me the power I lacked in step1.

Peace and Serenity


Member: Pam B
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 6:58:35 AM

Comments

Hi, I'm Pam, an alcoholic, I am also grateful for this step, as meditation gives me the further ongoing ability to see myself as I really am, relying on God to make the changes & growing in me through these steps.

It had taken me a time before I was able to actually "meditate" in the usual fashion (without mind-racing, etc) but I would give it my best shot for however few minutes it lasted each morning - and follow up with writing/journaling whatever came to mind after that. From my sponsor & others in this program, I learned that this is still a form of "meditation" . . . "meditation on paper"

It shows me what I need to pray about, that I may be useful in service to God and to those about me. Thanks for letting me share Pam


Member: DIANA P
Location: MARINETTE WI
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 10:06:00 AM

Comments

HI, IM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE IN NOTHEASTERN WISCONSIN TO TALK TO AND HELP ME STAY SOBER. THIS IS MY FIRST DAY. I WENT THROUGH TREATMENT IN 1995 AND WAS SOBER FOR ABOUT 1-1/2 YEARS. PLEASE HELP ME. DIANA


Member: Rosco
Location: usa
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 12:14:38 PM

Comments

For those of you that are trying to enter the contest. You have the wrong website it's : Assholeof the month.com.


Member: Freddy B Good
Location: Delray Florida
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 12:23:03 PM

Comments

It sad to see all the hate messages above. We pray for those who are sick and suffering. They just dont understand. God understands the meaning of what you say.


Member: if it looks like a wang
Location: its a wang
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 2:21:14 PM

Comments

assholes or like elbows..............

elbow of the month club.com


Member: annie p
Location: S.Yorkshire, U.K.
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 5:17:29 PM

Comments

My name is anne and I am an alcoholic and a addict. Thank you , Pam, for showing me that writing is a form of meditation. I still have a major problem sitting stills and being with "me" and ,therefore, shy away from meditation. I have to walk beside my hp or I'm lost before I start my day. Hang in there all you newcomers, I was told by a big scotsman, "you'll keep coming back!" so I did. To all in fellowship, annie p


Member: richard m
Location: sarasota, fla
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 6:09:56 PM

Comments

hi .my name is richard , i a an alcoholic.my sobriety date is dec 28, 1985 ...TODAY i have 5560 days of contiguous sobriety..thank GOD ...i can not do it on my own ...amen.Our preamble has helped me very much in reg aa meetings .anything other than alcohol is an outside issue .........i have always done my metings ...one day at a time and i am glad for this format.....for those who try to force other issues on us or dominate the meetings with "personality"......i have often wondered if that is a form of the insanity that we face or used to drink over.....well keep it simple and we shall overcome and persevere!!! i love yu all and tolerate the insane behaveior......may GOD continue to supply us wth the power to stay sober and face life on life sterms../


Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,Illinois
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 7:28:54 PM

Comments

my name is Ag I am an alcoholic and an addict this step is imporatant for my on going recovery it keeps me spiritual and focus on other steps 4 and 5. I thank my HP for keeping my sanity and through prayer and meditation I try to stay in contact with my HP and carry out his will. I try to remember my srenity prayer if I get lost.


Member: living in today
Location: the right place
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 8:19:39 PM

Comments

it's true about the body parts of the maxist !!!i also heard they sit on their brains and they're all assholes !!! ha hahahaahahahahahahahahahaha asshooles !!!don't have any thing else to do but mess w/a bunch of alcoholics hahahaha!!! pathetic they are i'll pray for them !!!hahahahah!!!!


Member: living in today
Location: the right place
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 8:28:27 PM

Comments

it's true about the body parts of the maxist !!!i also heard they sit on their brains and they're all assholes !!! ha hahahaahahahahahahahahahaha asshooles !!!don't have any thing else to do but mess w/a bunch of alcoholics hahahaha!!! pathetic they are i'll pray for them !!!hahahahah!!!!


Member: Hipolito
Location: Chi-town
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 8:52:54 PM

Comments

Hi Hipolito alcoholic ,sober today only though the grace of God and the fellowship of this wonderful program .step 11 for me is a continuation of step 3 it's were the growth of my relationship w/HP is developed it's were we become one and all my thougths are directed only at the will of my higher power it is were i become more God conscious then ever it is were my prayers are not directed at me but at what the world and my fellow alcoholic is lacking it is were i begin to give more then what i take in this program "thy will be done" only the next step is more giving then this one . it's great to be sober thanks!!!


Member: A. Friend
Location: Norfolk
Date: 3/19/01
Time: 9:31:35 PM

Comments

Those of you who are using this website for wrong or hateful purposes should be ashamed of yourselves. There are genuine and honest people here who are trying to straighten out there lives. Your cruelty and venom is plain, flat mean. The really neat thing, though, is that there are sincere and honest people with genuine intentions who log onto this website. Despite what you have done, these people still would help you if you needed it and asked. May God bless you and take the hate from your heart.


Member: Charlie C.
Location: FT. WORTH
Date: 3/20/01
Time: 12:31:30 AM

Comments

My name is Charlie and I'm an alcoholic! By the grace of God,I've been sober since 12/24/91. Step 11 gives me alot of direction, in this very uncertain world. I like what that guy said about doing things his HP way. My basic problem is my self-centeredness. Total destruction of that can only be by a HP.


Member: Ardis
Location: So. Calif. Mtns
Date: 3/20/01
Time: 5:13:54 AM

Comments

Pages 86-87 and 88 in the Big Book of AA gives us suggestions how to meditate. For me, they are my guidelines and the suggestions are easy to follow on a daily basis. I also believe that journaling and writing is meditation.

I was instructed after I did step 5-6-7, to read and practice pages 86 through 88 daily for 3 to 6 weeks and I would internalize those pages, the suggestions on those pages would become a habit, I would think and act on that level automatically.

Darn, if the people in AA that passed the program on to me, were not right!

When I am in a difficult situation I can not avoid, I set it on paper. Often it gives me the answer after I read what I wrote. Sometimes I have to leave it alone for 24 hours and come back to it the next night and more will be revealed. Or come back to it each night for a week to see how I feel about it, whatever it takes!

I have to look within ME, to see WHAT blocks ME from the Sunlight of the Spirit in that situation or difficulty, though it might not be my fault nor of my doing. I can not live in peace until I am in that direct Sunlight again, that is prayer and meditation to me.

On my own I am nothing, on my own I became an alcoholic and ended up in AA. Today I believe I need His Guidance, His Knowledge and His Power to carry His Will for me out. So I have followed the suggestion on the above pages almost as long as I have been sober.

May all of us keep walking hand in hand with the Spirit of the Universe.


Member: Todd
Location: Illinois
Date: 3/20/01
Time: 2:29:20 PM

Comments

Hello,I I have been sober since 3-5-01. I rely heavily on God, and reading the Big Book. I have not been to a meeting yet, I take that back. I went to one meeting about 5 years ago and never went back. My question is I hear alot about meditation. Are there any books that anyone can recommend? Thank you for all your help.


Member: ((((((()))))))))
Location:
Date: 3/20/01
Time: 5:26:05 PM

Comments

lu-lu's back i can tell!!!!!!!!


Member: Donnie M
Location: W. Va.
Date: 3/20/01
Time: 10:22:15 PM

Comments

HI,to all.My name is Donnie and I`m an a alcoholic.To me step`s 3&11 go hand in hand,soon after hitting my knee`s and asking GOD to save my ass it all just got easier when I THANK HIM DAILY for gift he has given me. Thank`s for listening,and GOD BLESS ALL WHO TRY.


Member: Jack B
Location: Palo Alto, Pa
Date: 3/21/01
Time: 2:30:29 AM

Comments

Hi I am Jack a real alcoholic.I was taught this step is God's step.For me its strengthening the committment I made to God and the 12 step program back in step three. Its strengthening my faith in God, that he has, is, and always will do for me what I cannot do for myself in all my affairs. As far as God's will for me today, the only thing I am 100% certain about is that he wants me to stay sober for the next 24 hrs. One other thing I do know about God's will for me is that no matter what it is, its 200 times better than what my will for me could possibly be. Thanks for allowing me to share and God Bless


Member: Mark D
Location: Concord NH
Date: 3/21/01
Time: 11:15:56 AM

Comments

OK I'm muddting the waters a bit by posting about a different step but here goes. I was at a face2face step meeting this week. Our table was doing step 4. Having just done step 5 with my sponsor afew weeks back I was interested in the feedback. As fate would have it I was asked to chair our group, so after the reading I opened discussion by relating some of my experience of that step. I also mentioned that I have just celebrated my 5th month and that I realized that though I and my sponsor thought I did a thorough job that I might remember some things from my most recent drinking experience as time goes on. I may feel the need to go back and do a 4th step.

Well- this old buck spoke next and let it be known that #1 a 4th step is done only once. and #2 a 4th step shouldn't even be attempted until one has a full year of sobriety.

#1 is kind of a matter of interpretation relating to some of the later steps.

#2 I tust my sponsor in the work we did together. For me, my sobriety would most probably stalled & suffered if I'd have had to wait a year. I'm not ticked off at the guy--I asked for input, not necessarily agreement. So I'm doing the same here. Thanks.


Member: White@Red
Location: NotBlue
Date: 3/21/01
Time: 5:12:52 PM

Comments

To those of you who hate the Marxist view of things, and continue to sacrifice yourselves in the labyrinthine capitalist pits of deceit and despair, let me say that Marxism is a thousand times more HONEST about the prevailing socio-economic conditions of the world, and on that basis I say Marxists might want to stay sober too! Those of you who condemn every type of progressive initiative are not sober, in the spiritual sense of the word, you are all proverbial slaves of exploitation and corruption, and like so many others are "constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves!!" You also follow deadly dictates from false-prophets in religion, and in essence are useful idiots and consecrated slaves of the enemy of all Good and God, the devil!! Cursed be ye all from on high!!


Member: red
Location:
Date: 3/21/01
Time: 8:59:11 PM

Comments

i still like to masterbate


Member: robertc
Location: oh
Date: 3/21/01
Time: 9:37:07 PM

Comments

this site is just too slow at times....and as for red if masturbation keeps you from dependency, then whack it till you're happy.


Member: Miracle
Location: out of myself
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 12:45:08 AM

Comments

white red i'm going to be honest you need to read the preamble or listen to it sometime, and you need to do a good 10 step tonight and check yourself you call others idiots and devils and curse others i will pray for you and all others on this page i came to this site for help in sobriety and i get politics !!! god bless you all!!!


Member: Tony
Location: Chicago
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 1:13:27 AM

Comments

Hi Tony alcoholic, Mark different strokes for different folks if you're sober and happy w/your progress in sobriety ,then you and your sponsor are doing what is necessary to keep you sober ,i've never read in the big book about a time table for the steps.Sometimes people in sobriety heads get a little big and they think their way is the only way ,but i also don't think a second 4th step is necessary we do the steps to the best of our abilities ,we are not perfect or saints if you forgot something it must not have been that big of a deal and you still have a 5th to do and if it's bothering you that much bring it up then later you will be doing other steps that should keep you from having to do another 4th (10) i hope i was a little help God bless!!!


Member: Paul Q
Location: Toronto
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 6:59:59 AM

Comments

Continue to seek! "SOUGHT"

Improvement in my connection with the father spirit. He is my father I am his child.

His power flows in and mine flows out. Paul power just does not work in my life. I have been convinced that I'm beyond human aid.

It became very important to me over the years as to what GOD I was seeking. One heart One Mind One God.

Love to you all!


Member: Donnie M
Location: W.Va.
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 9:15:30 AM

Comments

I just have to ask Red ,What does masterbating and drinking have in common? To me I kept spilling my drink,and that just ruined the mood. THANK`S


Member: red
Location: whackin till it hurts
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 2:46:26 PM

Comments

but donnie im a slap happy pappy


Member: boo t
Location: florida
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 3:52:43 PM

Comments

Hi everyone, and i hipe your all doing fine today. Well as i have exspeirienced this site, it show's me why i have recovered. yes there are those of you who are spiritualy bankrupt, and are afraid to ask for help, but i love you all today, evan you, the one who tries to push other's away.Twenty year's sober and clean from the old way of thinking, not just alcohol, i used to feel and think very negative too, but with the intervention of my life through recovery, i have changed. Yes there are those that you will manage to push away, and they will judge this site by your sad comment's but they will probably be pushed to a stronger place in life, so therefor you are helping me and them stay sober.thank you all, i like this format, and i feel i will continue to share here, thank you all. Isn't it a wonderful life, to be happy, joyous, and free.


Member: steve
Location: florida
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 4:06:04 PM

Comments

Hey Redneck, and all you idiot's, nobody give's 2 shit's about all your bullshit and discusting comment's. I'v been in recovery for a long time, and i would kick your asses all over the place, your all punk's and prove it when you dump your useless bullshit on people who are just trying to see their way. you and people like you, have small pecker;s, and can't get laid, so just be content to beat off, cuz by the sound's of it that's the only pussy you can get.


Member: white and red too
Location:
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 5:28:39 PM

Comments

oh steveie,your just jelious sweet cheeks


Member: white and red too
Location: sometimes blue and green
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 5:29:25 PM

Comments

oh steveie,your just jelious sweet cheeks


Member: the BIG R
Location:
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 5:31:32 PM

Comments

steve didnt i meet you at the frisco frolics??


Member: SISTER IGNATIA
Location:
Date: 3/22/01
Time: 7:39:18 PM

Comments

YOU BOYS STOP THAT,AND GIVE MY COINS BACK.


Member: PatriciaG
Location: Tucscon, AZ
Date: 3/23/01
Time: 7:57:35 AM

Comments

Hi I'm Pat an alcoholic from Tucson - I think Step 11 is the most important step in my recovery. The spiritual assistance I receive from my Higher Power is the only thing that can keep me sober. And through prayer and meditation I receive the strength to stay humble, acknowledge surrender as a daily necessity and get myself out of the way so that a power greater than myself can guide me and keep me sober, sane and serene. To Diane in NYC - there are womens meetings at Citicorp and St. Peter's right next door at least once a week. Drop by any meeting and they'll tell you when they are. Also you might try 74 Below which is across from Trinity Church down by Wall Street or the Mustard Seed on E. 34th St. Hope this helps. And back to the 11th step - it also helps me to not be bothered by some of the nonsense being posted on this site right now. Can I please say that I feel graphic comments about sex constitute profanity - REFRAIN and keep that part of your life in your bedroom where it belongs. And it you spend a few minutes praying and meditating I am sure this will be revealed to you. The 11th step is just awewsome - it can help with every facet of your life. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Sue J.
Location: So Cal
Date: 3/23/01
Time: 11:33:20 AM

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I'm Sue Alcoholic, Hello this morning fellow alcohlolics this morning was one of those mornings in sobriety you wake up trully appreciating sobriety. I woke up on my bed as opposed to the floor having knowledge of what I did the day before and the ability to be proud of it. I have recently made four years of sobriety, recently I have found new depth in the stillness provided by sobriety. I never felt or was phyisically still in the past I ran and ran all the time. My sponsor told me over and over that I needed to be still, to sit with Sue and God. My sponsor told me that prayer is talking and meditation is listening for the answers. Lisa L. incase you check and read this site this week I will post my E-mail SJ6162@ Aol.com you are welcome to mail me for fellowship because this is how it works


Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 3/23/01
Time: 6:37:45 PM

Comments

Step eleven; Sought thru prayer and meditation to improve our conscieous contact with God....O Lord; As you know all things that are and are not both in heaven and that are in the earth, It is needless to say that you know of all that I have tried to say and do according to the web pages of AA. That I have tried to carry the message as is written: "That they all may be one; as thou, Father in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou has sent me." This lord have I tried to do, but they say: as it were, You did not mention mama or trains or beer in your conversation of the which they know right well that I need no resume of my past which is not my glory: "For when ye were the servents of sin, ye were free from righteousness. And again: What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? But they put so much empheses on the quiting of drinking that they might bring it to my charge, seeing that I am no longer a slave to such things as they. Yet what say I of these things but "lord forgive them, for they know not what they don't"....


Member: Mark B
Location: Eielson AFB, AK
Date: 3/23/01
Time: 10:15:57 PM

Comments

Mark, alcoholic. Why after being forced to scroll through all that Serbian BS, did we bring food, shelter, and peace to idiots who write that shit? Why did I get shot at flying over that armpit of a country? I promise I won't get started because I can get a bit worked up over stuff like that. I think I'm going to be quiet and listen. Hugs to all


Member: Tom R
Location: Cleveland, OH
Date: 3/24/01
Time: 10:53:52 AM

Comments

Hi everyone, I'm Tom and I'm an alcoholic. I believe by doing steps 10 through 12 on a daily bases allows us to go on with our live without having to ever go back to the previous steps. However, If we fail to do those step on a daily bases for a period of time we may need to redo the earlier steps. I was sober for 8 years, then relapse for 2 days. It was a direct result of me not praying and not going to meatings. My first 5 years were great but I just started slacking of the last 3. Before I new it, I wasn't going to any meatings or praying. Today, I am doing another 4th step. I am glad to see Mark D. comment. I wasn't sure if I should do another 4th step at first, but after being 14 months sober now and just fealing stuck, not connected to my HP, and constently wondering if I should, I figured if its bothering me that much then God must be telling me something. After I'm done here I will do my 4th. Tomarrow, I will do my 5th. I know I will feal a lot better. As for how long it should take to do the steps, just look at Bill Wilson, He did them in 2 weeks. I think it all depends on the person. When I came in the first time, I did them in 7 months and I fealt great. Why would someone want to be in pain any longer then they have to. Just let your HP guide you to what you need to do. If you follow him all things will be just fine. I have a thought about those leaving the bad comments for all of us to consider. I believe they are here beacuse they need help just like we did. They come here to read our messages, because they want we have and hope one day they will get it. They say these things to get a response from us just as I did when I drank and did carzy things on the streats and in the bars. The are a very lonely lot of people as we were. Don't respond to their messages, instend, lets pray for them, so they may find the easier and softer way as we did.

Thanks Tom


Member: PatriciaG
Location: Tucson
Date: 3/24/01
Time: 5:49:08 PM

Comments

I have a question to put out there? Does anyone have an opinion on dealcoholized wine? Does it break your sobriety?


Member: Tom P
Location: Chicago
Date: 3/24/01
Time: 9:11:13 PM

Comments

dealcoholized wine is like mental masturbation why bother you messed up go to detox!!! just kidding LOL.Pat call your sponsor !!!


Member: LEXIE
Location: MI
Date: 3/24/01
Time: 10:10:03 PM

Comments

I AGREE WITH TOM.....THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A REACTION AND THEY GET IT...THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP COMING BACK! I KEEP COMING BACK BECAUSE I CAN SCROLL AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SHARE THIER EXPERIENCE, STRENGTH, AND HOPES TO HELP ME IN MY RECOVERY. THAT IS WHAT I"M HERE FOR, AND I WON"T LET THEM INTERFERE WITH MY SOBRIETY BY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT(OTHER THAN THIS STATEMENT). SO NEWCOMERS, PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE NOT SO SERIOUS-----WE'RE HERE FOR YOU. IT'S LIKE TV, JUST CHANGE THE STATION, OR KEEP SCROLLING, LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED! KEEP COMING BACK! HUGS, LEXIE