Member: jess h.
Location:
Date: 16 Mar 2003
Time: 17:02:03

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I find it hard to place a lot of emphasis on God removing all of my defects. I blame myself a lot for my defects, but everyday I look to a higher power to show me the way and help me understand how I shouldn't let these defects slow me down or impinge on my progress.


Member: Mark B
Location:
Date: 16 Mar 2003
Time: 17:46:25

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I just came out of rehab and i started to pray everyday. It seemed to help me. I didnt say long prays or anything but maybe if you just try to pray one or twice a day. It may make you believe that god can remove your defects. And try using the tool Let go, Let God


Member: Kim V
Location: kvaughn@madison.main.nc.us
Date: 16 Mar 2003
Time: 19:49:57

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Kim V here alcoholic. I had been in enough pain long enough so by the time I got my 4th step done and told everything to another person (my 5th step) I was real ready to drop down on my knees and ask God to remove my character defects and to guide me so that I may be useful. What a feeling it is to be useful, when I went through years of being useless. All I needed to do to accomplish this was to be willing and openminded. My higher power did the rest. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Marti H
Location: Portland
Date: 16 Mar 2003
Time: 23:50:31

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Marti, alcohoic. The first time I read this step I was terrified. I thought that if God removed all my character defects there wouldn't be any thing left of me. I kept going to meetings, kept talking with others and kept working with my sponser and I finally became willing to trust my higher power. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 01:07:27

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HI. Bill here alcoholic from Arizona. If you are working the Steps out of the basic text it states that (We) were ready to have God remove all these defects of character. This is not a request, it is a statement. The condition before doing this step is the review of the first five proposals. If we are satisfied with our work so far, then we are ready. That is all this step calls for. It is still in our hands. By that, I mean that in the instructions for taking this Step, it tells us to ask for the things we have already admitted are objectionable. If they are objectionable then we do not want them. Right? Bill,,,email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Sobersynic
Location: grumpdump
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 02:30:16

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Hello everyone. step 6 doesn't work... actually alot of these steps don't work..and we have the statistics to prove it..most alcoholics will die...oh well on another note; we were entirely ready to have god remove all these defects of character...i'm ready now. i'll be ready tomorow, but i wasn't ready before i came to aa. i'll no doubt be ready to have these defects removed again... (((except for those ones i still 'cling to' you know the ones we all 'love too much'.. i'll have to ask for the willingness for those,, you know the winking at elderly women 30 years your senior... just for the shock value of it, or ((yaaa!! someone i know has failed at something...oh great! that just makes me feel a little bit better about my bad self))...or how about the control shit, that alcoholics are absolutely famous for? you know the stuff,,,and if you don't,,well, just get into a home group or service work. oh and gossip's the best,,, "did you hear about so and so's recent trouble with their marriage?" and hidden agenda's flyin all over the place...oh to be human and trapped in alocoholics anonymous..how trivial our little tiny teeny weenies are; and how see through we really are,,(((though we usually don't think so))) to quote our bible book of answers for as#$%%'s. thanx for listening. happy and sober 24 everyone. ((AND YES I AM A RATHER RESENTFUL LAD...AND NO I'M NOT EMBARRASED OR ASHAMED OF ADMITTING IT.. THAT'S HOW IT IS FOR ME TODAY MAN..NOT GONNA SUGAR COAT IT..JUST TO LICK THE BOOTS OF A BUNCH A DRUNKS. Wishing you all lol 24 HOURS of sober time.... and a whole new attitude towards life.


Member: Jan BB
Location: Paris, France
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 08:31:00

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Well, here is my take or rather, took. First off, I take the twelve steps, God, does not need them. The change comes through God, working in our lives by consent and our permission. Step six is about becoming willing to let go. After having taken steps 4 & 5, we have had an oppertunity to examine our character defects, they should be objectionable to us, we should now see thay are of no value to us. It's the power of these steps that make our defects, attitudes, objectionable. one has to be through with the old ways in order to adopt new one's. I had to be willing to give up on the old and familiar crap way of dealing with life for something better and a more useful way to be and live.


Member: Gayle C.
Location: Taunton
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 14:37:55

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to sobersynic...well..well..that kinda of thinking you won't remain sober or you may remain sober and be miserable. That's your choice...in keeping with principles of personalities keep coming...I pray that you will realize that these 12 steps do work and that millions of sober drunks can testify to that. Got God? Well, there's your answer. Only He can remove character defects or shortcomings in an individual life. Good luck to ya...if you think staying sober on intellect is good enough.


Member: Stuart M
Location:
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 15:19:55

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Hi Folks, My sponsor is constantly reminding me that God will do for me what I cannot do for myself, the rest of it is up to me to change ie if I am winking at older ladies for shock value then I can stop doing that ... defect removed... if i am feeling impatient... then maybe I can try practising a little patience after asking for Gods help... defect removed only suggestions but if it doesn't feel good stop doing it God bless you all


Member: Victor M
Location: NYC
Date: 17 Mar 2003
Time: 19:45:46

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Hi- Victor here, Alcoholic. Actually AA doesnt work for about 70% of the people who come into AA. In 8+ years in AA I have lost close friends, acquaintances and some group members I never met. I've also seen alot of people go out and come back, and time after time they say the same things: I didn't go to meetings, I didn't work the steps, I didn't get a sponsor, I didn't have a connection to a higher power, I took back their will, etc. And that it was just as bad out there or worse than it was when they first came in. Obviously doing all of these things requires quite a bit of effort. So the choice is ours, do we want to do the work or not? Do we want to decrease or increase our chances of drinking again? I respect both decisions and wouldn't judge someone who decides drinking is the route they want to take. It really comes back to the idea that it's a program for those who want it, not those who need it. 10 times the amount of people in AA need the program, but most of them will never hear the message and many that do will decide that they rather live the way they have been living than to change eveything so completely. I have chosen to work the steps and that is alot of work for me. But it's because of my desire to keep the amazing life I have, and a desire to never go back to the hell I was in when I came in that I do so. And I go to meetings to remember how bad it was and that puts a fire under my ass. I share to get out the poison that infects my alcoholic thinking. I attempt to change because change has worked well in my life where my old ideas didn't. And with consistent effort, and enough pain, I've been able to make progress in most of the areas that need it and my life is better because of it. Thanks for listening.


Member: Steve H
Location: Guernsey C.I. U.K.
Date: 18 Mar 2003
Time: 07:07:10

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Steve, still and always an alcoholic, I haven`t been attending A.A. for very long, but , as for an HP I use the warmth and frendship of the rooms, that keeps me wanting to carry on going to meets and sharing all that I can when I`m there. that appears to be working for me at the moment.


Member: Paul Q
Location: Toronto
Date: 18 Mar 2003
Time: 07:21:41

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Step 6 = BIG TIME WILLINGNESS! If I have that willigness which is one of the 3 essentials to a spiritual experience. GOD than does the rest in 7 I just have to let him. GOD is real and very powerful. When I made a commitment to GOD in step 3 it changed my life to seek and be honest with myself and someone else. Today I have a commited mind not a confused mind. I thank GOD for the people that he put in my life and taught me what is in that BIG BOOK. Its simple, but very difficult at the same time. Leveling of my "PRIDE" and dying of "SELF" is not easy. IN HIS GRIP.......Paul Q


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: 18 Mar 2003
Time: 23:52:05

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Hi Bill here, alcoholic from Arizona. I am not sure where that 70% not making it comes from. AA stop polling its membership anonymously years ago. Our numbers are bad today and the reason is that many who come in or are ordered in are not alcoholic. There is a big difference between alcohol abuse and alcoholism. Too many come in with problems other than alcohol. And a few come in looking for things other than recovery. Too many who are real alcoholics are not getting the proper guidance through the program. Early on we need to learn the basics as written in the Big Book, "Alcoholics Anonymous". We need to learn to crawl before we can walk I was not taken into the 12x12 before I had a good background on the Steps. And the bottom line is this. Chapter Five, "How It Works". "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path...". The first 164 pages are precisely how we recovered. It works, it really does and anything short of that is myth. Bill, email:az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Larry M.
Location: Texas, USA
Date: 19 Mar 2003
Time: 00:27:11

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Hi everyone. I'm Larry and I'm an alcoholic, and sober today by the Grace of God and the miracle of Alcoholics Anonymous. Step 6 "Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character." ia as explained in our text-an ideal. And certainly, all I can ever hope for is increased willingness throughout life to have more of the defects removed, to the extent possible-as the job will never be finished. Another step, step 10, also which we can only improve on and never complete helps me minimize the damage to myself and others that these remaining defects can do. Bill wrote on page 91 about step 10 that "nothing pays off like restraint of tongue and pen." Watching what I say and write can certainly, "contain" the damage that I could do to myself or others with my remaining defects. And it certainly reduces the number of amends one has to make. Thanks for allowing me to share. Over the 23 + years of my sobriety, I'm becoming more and more aware of how we learn from each other-when you allow me to share with you, it helps me greatly. Alcohol and misery was my ticket into this miraculous fellowship, but increasing joy, freedom and happiness keeps me here. Larry M.


Member: SuzanneC
Location: New Jersey
Date: 20 Mar 2003
Time: 09:34:02

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To sobersynic, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Honesty! To be human in AA, a rare quality it seems. I get very afraid when I hear the 'bleeding deacons', of course I listen, thy are important. I was taught to beat myself up with a feather,to not be self rightous, and Rule # 62, to not take myself so damn seriously. I have been stuck on step 8 & 9 for quite a while. I was told if you can't move foward, you need to go back to the last step and see waht your missing. I have been rexamining God removeing my defects of character and have found any answers. Today I heard what I needed to hear. I am an alcoholic. I am human. I am trying to do the best I can. And I am sober!!! God has not rendered me white as snow and that's OK. I know many people with alot of time who aren't pefect either. After all, we are all here because we are not all there. As far as the sixth step working, it will work in keeping me sober, and it may not work as to removeing all my defects. It even says so in the book! God will do with me what he will. So sobersynic, thanks for shareing your experience strenth and hope, honestly. SuzyQ


Member: Adelea I.
Location: Dresden, Germany
Date: 20 Mar 2003
Time: 10:15:18

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Adelea, alcoholic. My biggest struggle with step 6 has always been the judgement I have over my character defects. God can not help me as long as I hold myself too high or too low, rather than just equal. I had so much judgemnt about being a "bad" person b/c I was dishonest, that I stayed dishonest b/c I kept wrestling with what a bad person I was. as soon as I accept that I am a liar, a manipulator and fear based, then progress can be made. not that I am a horrible perosn b/c I lye, manipulate and have fear. God doesn't judge me b/c I do these things, he just loves me and wants me to come to him, naked. my husband is a normie and he can also be a liar, manipulator and full of fear. the difference between me and him is that his defects will make him miserable and want to eat ice cream, mine will get me drunk and dead! so I have to be willing to engage God with them, and see what happens. Just willing. have a beautilful day.


Member: Michael
Location: at the lake
Date: 20 Mar 2003
Time: 12:06:06

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Don't know where you got the idea that you had to lick the boots of a bunch of drunks. The idea I got was that I had a chance to stop drinking and grow up. It was a big day for me when I realized that all my negative thoughts and resentfulness were actually about me, not the rest of the world. Good luck, Sonicperson, you're just like the rest of us, and you have the same opportunity to get better.


Member: Marlene C
Location: West Coast
Date: 20 Mar 2003
Time: 23:13:23

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What an order, I can't go through with, is what I think of with the six step; yet it can be done; and more than once. Great step. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: SteveL
Location: Kabul,Afganistan(miami)
Date: 21 Mar 2003
Time: 03:42:24

Comments

When I walked into AA I thought My defects were My Assets. Then I was told the same person Who walked Through the door will drink again. I did not want to go back to the hell of drinking. so I changed With the help of AA , the grace of God and a sponser. My life is better then I could have Imagened. But I still have A long way to go.


Member: Chrissie P
Location: Armidale Australia
Date: 22 Mar 2003
Time: 01:28:35

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..Hi I am Chrissie and I am an Alcoholic ,my experience was throughout my drinking i could never see my part in any thing. I blaimed every one for my misfortunes, never oncelooking at my part in it.It was quite a shock when i got to steps 4 ande 5 and my sponsor showed me i did have a part in it. that was really hard for me because i'd had these defects all my life and refused to see them. I'd make excuses for this behavour by saying iam an alcholic. For the first time in my life my eyes and heart were open just enough to see the truth.And it's so true the truth will set you free. SO by the time i got to step six i was more than willing to hand over my defects of character. And is'nt it beautiful God gets to choose which ones. Once i am willing i find i am able to let God take control.And surprise surprise my life runs a lot smoother. My sponsor tells me to practice oppisit behavour and my thinking will change, and as i am only human my defects do crop up every so often, so along with practising this and continual Prayer helps keep my defects at bay.


Member: Chrissie P
Location: Armidale Australia
Date: 22 Mar 2003
Time: 01:29:47

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..Hi I am Chrissie and I am an Alcoholic ,my experience was throughout my drinking i could never see my part in any thing. I blaimed every one for my misfortunes, never oncelooking at my part in it.It was quite a shock when i got to steps 4 ande 5 and my sponsor showed me i did have a part in it. that was really hard for me because i'd had these defects all my life and refused to see them. I'd make excuses for this behavour by saying iam an alcholic. For the first time in my life my eyes and heart were open just enough to see the truth.And it's so true the truth will set you free. SO by the time i got to step six i was more than willing to hand over my defects of character. And is'nt it beautiful God gets to choose which ones. Once i am willing i find i am able to let God take control.And surprise surprise my life runs a lot smoother. My sponsor tells me to practice oppisit behavour and my thinking will change, and as i am only human my defects do crop up every so often, so along with practising this and continual Prayer helps keep my defects at bay.


Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,IL
Date: 23 Mar 2003
Time: 08:26:09

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I am an alcoholic step 6 for me was the basis for ongoing recovery. I thought i could do it myself but no this treatments for our insanity is only in the hands of god. and ongoing recovery depends on my practicing spirituality. I thank aa and alanon to show me the right path to recovery.