Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/11/01
Time: 6:03:52 PM

Comments

i ask., whole heartly ,then work begins action needs to happen often , then sometimes , wait to listen for direction.when i do the right thing get right results do wrong thing wrong results,does not matter he is in control even think iam his will be done ... have good day soberity is great today .. at least i have short comings today when could be dead ...love for the program


Member: IMO
Location:
Date: 2/11/01
Time: 9:20:16 PM

Comments

When I asked to have my shortcomings removed,I was given endless oppurtunities to do things different, say things different and act in different ways. Now I had choices to make. My "GOD" does not magically make me better. How about you? Resting on the laurels of some magical cure did not work for me. I had a lot of work to do....


Member: Pa
Location:
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 1:52:26 PM

Comments

I remember when I was going through my steps again for the first time, when I returned from relapse after 6 years prior sobriety - at Step 7 I got honest about fearing giving up some of those Shortcomings. I was thinking I needed to keep a certain few for this or that, and what would I do if I ceased using those, etc.

But God almost instantly brought the reminder to me, that any thing I have ever surrendered over to Him and just trust Him for - He has always "replaced" with something far better.

Then I could do my Step 7.

I hear controversy whether Shortcomings & Character Defects are same things or different things. I don't know, but I notice, the Character Defects remain, but the way I act them out is what seems to be the Shortcomings that were removed.

Anyone else ever wonder about this? Shortcomings versus Character Defects?

I still have all the same Character Defects I had when I came to the Program in 1981 - but I don't have the old behaviors I came here with.

Also, has anyone ever heard of A.W.O.L. (Step Group)? . . .do you know how I can get info for starting one? No one ever heard of them down here. I had attended when I lived in NH. Really good going through all 12 Steps together as a group in 6 months time. Love you all, Pam


Member: Pam B
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 1:53:12 PM

Comments

The post above from Pam was me . . .hit the wrong button by accident when sending


Member: Mark D
Location: Concord NH
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 4:10:07 PM

Comments

I agree with IMO. God's everyday "magic" is the ongoing opportunity to do the next right thing. Also in His grace to make us realize that we HAVE done the right thing. Belief in His forgiveness allows us to forgive ourselves, which is, after all, the only thing that keeps us from doing that right thing.


Member: Jan M
Location: Alberta
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 7:41:14 PM

Comments

For me, being humble was a new thing, I had to get humble, by admitting I wasnt perfect, I have short comings, related to the 7 deadly sins, discussed in step 4 in the 12x12. Anger is what I have to still work on, when I start swearing, I have to say hold on and try to get my serenity back, by accepting the present situation. Talking with other alcoholics keeps me in line, and humble.


Member: AnilG
Location: Mt Vernon,IL
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 10:15:02 PM

Comments

I am an alcoholic after step 5 ones i had my moral inventry that I made I knew that was just the bigning I will be confronted with much difficult decision with times to come I decided to remember my serenity prayer to make my life easy. It takes away my anger,frustrations,helplessness,resentments and makes me calm with inner peace.I then humbaly thank God for this.I pray that i feel God's presence near me & feel God watching over me.


Member: Honey B
Location:
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 11:00:14 PM

Comments

In response to IMO's statement that: My "GOD" does not magically make me better. How about you? Thank you for asking. Step 7 is a lot like surrendering. God does not perform magic. He is far more powerful and awesome than you give Him credit for! Submit yourself (surrender) and ALLOW God to do a good work in your heart. Don't cut God out of the picture! Don't think you just have to go thru the motions of asking God to remove your shortcoming and then do all the work yourself! This is my analogy: My car needs fixing. I don't know WHAT all is the matter with it, it is just running BAD. Since I don't understand automobiles, I could make some foolish guesses as to what is the actual problem. Plugged up filters, loose belt, dirty gasoline, old spark plugs, transmission problems....I don't know. SO, I take my car to someone who knows, a really great mechanic. I don't have to tell him that I am a stupid idiot that knows nothing about cars. I can just ask him to fix what ever needs fixing. I don't have to understand how an internal combustion engine works. I only know that i put gas in at the Mobil and when I turn the key, it usually starts. But I really, really trust this mechanic. He is the best anywhere. I know that HE will fix my car. My point is this: You don't have to understand everything, you don't even have to understand yourself, and you don't have to understand everything that your mechancic knows. God (the mechanic) knows everything about us (cars). HE will fix us up and have us purrin like a kitten. But you first have to go to him. It's not up to us to fix our own car! HE really will do it! You can try to help Him if you want to, but He really is an expert. He doesn't need our help! You just have to be humble enough to go to Him. And then do your part to maintain top performance. Oil changes, etc. It is NOT a magic "cure". God can heal the sick, raise the dead, and even remove shortcomings from a whole bunch of alcoholics and drug addicts. Don't ever think your problems are too big for God. He can handle it, really. We all have free will. God gives us free will. HE does not create us to be mindless robots. We do have lots of choices to make, always have, always will. Now that we have learned lifes lessons the hard way (dah) and we know right from wrong better than most people ever do, we can go forth and make better decisions. We've always had the power to make the right decisions. We either didn't have the wisdom, or, we were just too uncaring to make better choices. Either way, Mark D said a good thing, and that was all about forgiveness. God says, forgive, and you will be forgiven. Forgiveness wipes our slate clean and gives us a new start. It's like a completely new car! :-)


Member: help
Location:
Date: 2/12/01
Time: 11:17:36 PM

Comments

lu-lu is lost in cyberspace


Member: Jack B
Location: Palo Alto, Pa
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 2:17:19 AM

Comments

Hi I am Jack, a real alcoholic.Step seven for me simply requires the humility to know that I can't change me by myself.I am also aware that my character defects are still a part of me amd that they surface more often than not.I need to remember to pray for God's strength not to react to them, but act accordingly.Easier said than done at times. I often hear people say I am grateful to be an alcoholic.I will never say I am grateful to be an alcoholic, I am not proud of what I did to myself.However I am grateful that through my greatest character defect, being an alcoholic, I have found a wonderful, wonderful way of life in our twelve steps.For that I will always be grateful. Thanks for allowing me to share and God Bless all.


Member: Perry H
Location: East Stroudsburg, PA
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 6:34:55 AM

Comments

Step seven was a kind of trial and error journey for me. I used to just ask for help with my anger ( just one of my more glaring defects) in the morning while communicating (praying) .. and hope for the best during the day. At night I would thank Him for any help received.

It did not work too well. Then the sponsor said try working this step in milli seconds..... when you feel the anger or rage coming, at that moment ask God to help you... and watch what happens...It was a rather spiritual experience... The anger immediately dissolved and I was able to act in a new way...(change) as a result of asking for the power to Stop!

I do the same thing with my other shortcomings, what a nice polite word for my character defects, bad habits, crude behavior etc., when I become conscience of the problem, I can contact God and request help with overcoming the EGO. This works for me.

I cant, He can, I think Ill let Him....


Member: Gwen G
Location: North Country Fair
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 9:39:19 AM

Comments

Hi, first time here. 11 yrs sober-going thru steps for the 2nd time. Since I'm starting step 1 and its been a looooong time, I don't have much to say (which is OK unless you insist on saying it) on step 7, so I'll just "listen" for awhile. thank you, all of you for the great shares. You are incredible and I can't wait for tomorrow. what an exciting group!


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 6:40:48 PM

Comments

i humbly asked him to remove my sweaty fart tarts.

roo


Member: JR2806
Location: Michigan
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 10:21:11 PM

Comments

Hello my name is JR and Iam a alcholic, I dont have any great words of wisdom here just know that for me to be humble was to readily admit that i dont have a clue. and that i must be willng to be teachable, early on i was told to just take one defect at a time ask for help and then the willingness to do the foot work dont know if this is right or wrong but it helped me stay sober and begin to get comfortable in my own skin,thank you for letting mr share.


Member: roo
Location: good bye site
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 10:37:31 PM

Comments

i will be leaning site for good dont have time for lu lu and the [[[[asshole]]]] who keep who keeps writing shit and using my name so all to the serious people who are trying to stay sober wishing you the best [[[forever leaving site]]]] peace [[[[roo]] . in my hay day the bitch who wrote and used my name would be my bitch bitch]]]


Member: roo
Location: good bye site
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 10:37:32 PM

Comments

i will be leaning site for good dont have time for lu lu and the [[[[asshole]]]] who keep who keeps writing shit and using my name so all to the serious people who are trying to stay sober wishing you the best [[[forever leaving site]]]] peace [[[[roo]] . in my hay day the bitch who wrote and used my name would be my bitch bitch]]]


Member: roo
Location: good bye site
Date: 2/13/01
Time: 10:37:33 PM

Comments

i will be leaning site for good dont have time for lu lu and the [[[[asshole]]]] who keep who keeps writing shit and using my name so all to the serious people who are trying to stay sober wishing you the best [[[forever leaving site]]]] peace [[[[roo]] . in my hay day the bitch who wrote and used my name would be my bitch bitch]]]


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 12:34:56 AM

Comments

so long cruel world this is roo,im just a whining little bitch of a boy,i cry in my cake, then i try to eat it too.im just a big baby bitch.i miss all my bubbas in jail,they were so good to me.

roo


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 12:35:04 AM

Comments

so long cruel world this is roo,im just a whining little bitch of a boy,i cry in my cake, then i try to eat it too.im just a big baby bitch.i miss all my bubbas in jail,they were so good to me.

roo


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 12:35:11 AM

Comments

so long cruel world this is roo,im just a whining little bitch of a boy,i cry in my cake, then i try to eat it too.im just a big baby bitch.i miss all my bubbas in jail,they were so good to me.

roo


Member: ChuckM
Location: Alberta
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 3:32:53 AM

Comments

I'm Chuck, an alcoholic

I was shocked when I read the Big Book, step 7 is a prayer. I ask God to remove my shortcomings,nowhere does it say I have to work on them. Self can't cure self. I had been told that I had to do something about my defects.

What is God's answer to my prayer. He says do steps 8&9. Yes, I know but I just asked you to remove my defects. I thought I would get instant removing.

The reason I have to do steps 8&9 is to be restored to sanity. It makes sense to me now that if my thinking is straightened out I have a better chance of eliminating my defects.

Later I found that by practising step 11, the daily living program of AA, is how my character is changed by keeping close contact with God.

Peace and Serenity


Member: alt
Location: out there
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 10:12:33 AM

Comments

alt again, alcoholic I havent worked to this step really but I can sure learn from it. To me it seems that recovery is well under way for the alcoholic and one is fully immersed into action. Maybe that 3rd dimension that the BB tells us we will be rocketed thru. I better stop rambleing and listen. thank you all for shareing.<BR> three sides to the circle four winds to the sail


Member: Pam B
Location: Dayona Beach, FL
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 12:00:40 PM

Comments

Reading Step 7 in the 12&12 is one of my favorites. I always keep getting more out of it.


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 3:11:26 PM

Comments

im roo hfbybnvknhg


Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 5:17:26 PM

Comments

Step seven:~ Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings;" What are these shortcomings that we pray be removed; If I were to be honest, I must say of it: we do not know. And why is it you might ask, do we not know? Because none of us have walked in His ways, none of us have walked in the way of the Lord to know. Or as its written: "they have not know my ways." As my story unfolds that you might know of it, or the version of it here that the Lord will paint, I knew not, if I were to be in AA or even if I were to quit drinking or even if I wanted to quit drinking or even if I had to quit drinking; But this one thing did I then have and know that in whatsoever situation it was I was in, it was no more I, but He that I looked to in all things. As for me, I could very well say of it, that I neither wanted to quit drinking or that I didn't want to, according to my desire, or anothers request, or my situation at the time, or the money that I had or hadn't, or any noted nudge from the judge, or any number of other reasons one could name how ever so numerous they may be. The beginning then, is to rule out all the reasonings of creation, to rule out all road signs below either without or within that would set itself up in the heart. No more did I look to the forcast or the newspaper or anything under heaven that would tend to establish a direction in my life save God only. Along with all this is the question of what is temporary and what is not! That that God turns off or on, can He not turn on or off, or have I leaned on my own understanding, or become wise in my own eyes or anothers, or that of the worlds? Am I so all or nothing that what is off or on, on or off, must stay that way forever? Cannot God change his mind, shall we say that what He does is forever? but this is not always so, no not even in the bible. Or what church should I attend, could he change it if He wants to move me, am I that flexable? Or why stay here anylonger? Shortcomings disappear when in all our ways we acknowledge him, or if we say to ourselves in every situation: "Lord willing we will do this or that." Am I to decide whether I will stay or go, come in or go out, buy or sell, live or die? This is the way I have weeded out all shortcomings in this life, in a word: I've taken every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, I know not even if I have any shortcomings, but then how could I know, or have any. If I have walked in His steps, I have no reason but to think all is well with me or recovered to sanity, that is for the time being at least, for even here, who knows what a day will bring, or what He may find it usefull to create in me, perhaps I'll go mad~....


Member: Old-time AA
Location: Circulating
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 5:41:17 PM

Comments

I think a grave and suicidal "shortcoming" that needs to be attended to by many in the "honesty, open mindedness and willingness" of AA, is what's going on in the world, and just what it truly means! If you've a mind such as steps 3 and 11 speak of, find some time to study the following:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/02/14/mideast.06/index.html See Luke 21:20-27 for the above URL

http://finance.yahoo.com/?u See Luke 17:24-30;James 5:1-5 for the above URL/"Top Business News."

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/wni/ See Isaiah 18:1-7;Rev 1:7 for the above URL

On the "road to hell" with Good intentions,

Old-time AA


Member: ruby
Location: ridge
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 6:13:44 PM

Comments

like a snowball headed for hell you mean???


Member: RON
Location:
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 7:57:14 PM

Comments

IM JUST 12 STEPS FROM HELL PLEASE SAVE ME BEFORE ITS TOO LATE


Member: john b
Location: spokane,wa.
Date: 2/14/01
Time: 10:39:40 PM

Comments

Higher Power is the key


Member: Michael B.
Location: AZ
Date: 2/15/01
Time: 2:32:16 AM

Comments

Hi! My name is Michael, and I am a recovering alcoholic and addict, sober today only by the Grace of God and the Fellowship. Welcome newcomers! Thanks to those who genuinely shared!

As someone mentioned, it's up to God to remove our shortcomings, so this is why we ask Him.

I realized years ago(although occasionally I forget)that I don't have the knowledge, power and capacity to remove my own shortcomings. I simply don't have that kind of ability.

This is why I ask Him on a daily basis to remove my shortcomings.


Member: Duke B
Location: Mountains
Date: 2/15/01
Time: 10:12:34 AM

Comments

This is my first visit. My shortcomings are best known by myself and God. I sincerely hope that by joining your fellowship that I can overcome and change my life. Locating this cyberspace is my first genuine step in my quest for recovery. Thank you for having me.


Member: Jim K.
Location: West Texas
Date: 2/15/01
Time: 10:13:33 AM

Comments

Greetings! My name is Jim and I'm an alcoholic.

I am currently doing a thorough Big Book study with my sponsor, and I am learning more and more each time we meet, and the more I read, how very little I know about the steps. I have been through the steps several times with two different sponsors, and I really believed that I understood how to apply them in all areas of my life. I found I actually knew very little.

I have learned, for me, that all the steps go together. I tried for a very long time to take the steps off the wall, and even out of the 12 & 12. I have found that there are some very specific directions in the Big Book, beginning with "The Doctor's Opinion".

Becoming "entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character" involves much more than simply making a decision. I made a decision in step 3. I took stock in step 4. I shared my story with another alcoholic in step 5. Now I MUST show my willingness by making a conscious effort every day to change my behavior. I MUST treat my fellow human beings with respect and dignity. I MUST ask God to remove my shortcomings (step 7). I MUST get on paper those people I have harmed because of my wrong doing (step 8). I must make direct amends wherever possible (step 9). And I must continue to take stock of my behavior, correct any wrongdoings (step 10), keep in touch with God (step 11), and carry the message (stpe 12).

I am reading a book called "Stage II Recovery" that has challenged me to define what recovery is to me, and what I hope to achieve now that the addiction cycle has been broken, and I have some time between today and my last drink/drug. I have discussed this with my sponsor, and set some reasonable goals for the next six months. I am working and in school. I have a relationship that grows every day, and am engaged to be married this fall. I have even gone "church-shopping", but haven't found one just yet.

Sometimes, it is difficult to believe that I am the person who drank and smoked crack cocaine in the gutters and alleys of New Orleans, the person that robbed, lied, and cheated my way through everything in my life.

Thank you for letting me share, and thank you for my sobriety.


Member: Cynthia C
Location: Oregon Coast
Date: 2/15/01
Time: 12:34:45 PM

Comments

Humility is the key word for me. It means that I have no expectations. I have also learned that God will let me clutch those character defect to my chest, screaming "mine!" like my 2 year old. I've always been a slow learner and usually have to get into alot of pain before the surrender and humility will flow in like cool water on a hot day. It comes much sooner today, and those character defects I hold so dear are being removed for me as He see's fit.


Member: Deb
Location:
Date: 2/15/01
Time: 6:22:47 PM

Comments

I guess some folks can get better by osmosis. Just praying and absorbing good thoughts. Faith without works is dead and sobriety without actively investigating what I can do is complacency. I have seen it for many years cause difficulties for recovering people. GET BUSY! Keep interested. Stay sober!!


Member: Bob A
Location: Tulsa Ok
Date: 2/16/01
Time: 2:44:16 AM

Comments

In my opinion seven is one of the most important steps (if you can say any are more important than any others). Step seven I have to work every day. I find that when i am not in steps six and seven then my life and the lives of those around me aren't very fun. So I have to be constantly vigilant when it comes to my charecter defects. I remember When I first saw step seven I thought I was going to be zapped pious, and that would be the end of my difficulties....thats not how it works, bummer. I read the prayer the Big Book gives us it says "remove from me every single defect of charecter that stands in the way of my usfulness to you and others" I believe that the God of my understanding gives me shotgun quizzes to see how I am really working the program. And most of these tests are in the form of what I do when I see a charecter defect crop up. Today after being sober a while I pray and then make amends for any harm I have done.


Member: Paul Q
Location: Toronto
Date: 2/16/01
Time: 7:36:14 AM

Comments

Step 7 is a prayer!

You will find it on page76 of the Big Book. Its that simple. Ask and you will receive. Don't ask you will not receive.

On any given moment I'm doing one of 2 things. I'm either doing my thing or GOD's thing.

Hey I know what my thing looks like its called Step 4 which was full of slime.

May GOD bless each and everyone that comes to this site.


Member: ROO
Location:
Date: 2/16/01
Time: 6:32:33 PM

Comments

DO YOU BELIVE IN MAGIC...................

IN A YOUNG GIRLS HEART.......................

THE MUSIC IS SWEETER...........................

WHENEVER SHE FARTS..............................

ROO


Member: HIP. R.
Location: CHI-TOWN
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 12:07:07 PM

Comments

HI I'M HIP ALCOHOLIC SOBER TODAY THREW THE GRACE OF GOD AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF THIS PROGRAM YOU JUST ASK AND CONTINUE W/ THIS PROGRAM KEEP IT SIMPLE PEOPLE LETS NOT COMPLICATE A SIMPLE PROGRAM EVEN ROO COULD GET THIS IF HE REALLY WOULD APPLY HIMSELF WILLINGNESS IS THE KEY WE MUST BE WILLING TO LET GOD REMOVE FROM US ALL THE THINGS WHICH WE HAVE ADMITTED ARE OBJECTIONABLE NOW I AM WILLING TO LET THESE THINGS GO GOD PLEASE TAKE THEM SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD IN MY LIFE I HAVE FAITH IN THE STRENGTH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD"


Member: roo
Location:
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 12:54:35 PM

Comments

im a freak

roo


Member: Anonymous
Location:
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 3:11:16 PM

Comments

"Humbly asked him to remove our shortcomings;" O how little it is we do, compared to the saints of old who also were enlightned, or awakened spiritually; here then might we see how far we fall short, or our shortcomeings are in the area of spiritual awakining.~

As I walk'd through the wilderness of this world, I lighted on a certain place where was a cave, and I laid me down in that place to sleep; and as I slept, I dreamed a dream. I dreamed, and behold I saw a man cloathed with rags, standing in a certain place, with his face from his own house, a book in his hand, and a great burden upon his back. I looked, and saw him open the book, and read therein; and as he read, he wept and trembled; and not being able longer to contain, he brake out with a lamentable cry, saying 'what shall I do?'

In this plight therefore he went home, and refrained himself as long as he could, that his wife and children should not preceive his distress, but he could not be silent long, because that his trouble increased: Wherefore at length he brake his mind to his wife and children; and thus he began to talk to them: "O my dear wife, said he, and you the children of my bowels, I your dear friend, am in myself undome by reason of a burden that lieth hard upon me; moreover, I am for certain informed that this our city will be burned with fire from heaven; in which fearful overthrow, both myself, with thee my wife, and you my sweet babes, shall miserably come to ruine, except (the which yet I see not) some way of escape can be found, whereby we may be delivered." At this his relations were sore amazed; not for that they believed that what he had said to them was true, but because they thought that some frenzy distemper had got into his head; therefore, it drawing towards night, and they hoping that sleep might settle his brains, with all haste they got him to bed: But the night was as troublesome to him as the day; wherefore, instead of sleeping, he spent it in sighs and tears. So, when the morning was come, they would know how he did; He told them, 'worse and worse;' he also set to talking to them again, but they began to be hardened: they also thought to drive away his distemper by harsh and surly carriages to him; sometimes they would deride, sometimes they would chide, and sometimes they would quite neglect him: Wherefore he began to retire himself to his chamber, to pray for and pity them, and also to console his own misery; he would also walk solitatily in the fields, sometimes reading, and sometimes praying: and thus for some days he spent his time.

Now, I saw upon a time, when he was walking in the fields, that he was, as he was wont, reading in his book and greatly distressed in his mind; and as he read, he burst out, as he had done before, crying, 'what shall I do to be saved?'

I saw also that he looked this way and that way, as if he would run; yet he stood still, because, as I perceived, he could not tell which way to go. I looked then, and saw a man named Evangelist, coming to him, and asked, 'Wherefore dost thou cry?' He answered, sir, I perceive by the book in my hand, that I am condemned to die, and after that to come to judgement, and I find that I am not willing to do the first, nor able to do the second. So this christian no sooner leaves the world but meets evangelist, who lovingly him greets with tidings of another: and doth shew him how to mount to that from this below.~ Then said evangelist,Why not willing to die, since this life is attended with so many evils? The man answered, because I fear that this burden that is upon my back will sink me lower than the grave, and I shall fall into tophet. And, sir, if I be not fit to go to prison, I am not fit to to to judgement, and from thence to execution; and the thoughts of these things make me cry.

Then said evangelist, if this be thy condition, why standest thou still? He answered, becaues I know not whither to go. Then he gave him a parchment-roll, and there was written within, 'fly from the warth to come.' The man therefore read it, and looking upon evangelist very carefully, said, whither must I fly? Then said evangelist, pointing with his finger over a very wide field, Do you see yonder wicket-gate? The man said, No Then said the other, Do you see younder shining light? He said, I think I do. Then said evangelist, Keep that light in you eye, and go up directly thereto: so shalt thou see the gate; at which, when thou knockest, it shall be told thee what thou shalt do.

So I saw in my dream that the man began to run Now he had not run far from his own door, but his wife and children, perceiving it, began to cry after him to return; but the man out his fingers in his ears, and ran on, crying 'life' 'life' 'eternal life!' So he looked not behind him, but fled towards the middle of the plain.

The neighbors also came out to see him run; and as he ran, some mocked, others threatened, and some cried after him to return; and among those that did so, there were two that resolved to fetch him back by force. Now by this time the man was got a good distance from them; but however they were resolved to pursue him, which they did, and in a little time they overtook him. Then said the man to them neighbors, wherefore are you come? They said, to persuade you to go back with us. But he said, That can by no means be; you dwell, said he , in the city of destruction, the place also where I was born, I see it to be so; and dying there, sooner or later, you will sink lower than the grave, into a place that burns with fire and brimstone!....


Member: LU-LU
Location:
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 5:46:46 PM

Comments

THATS A NICE STORY

LU-LU


Member: fr daVIS
Location:
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 9:05:06 PM

Comments

you are very sick,i will pray you get help


Member: ...
Location:
Date: 2/17/01
Time: 11:36:43 PM

Comments

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Member: ger m
Location: u k
Date: 2/18/01
Time: 1:34:47 AM

Comments

i honestly don t know what to do, all this hassle i have given myself. it all seems so hopeless that i m at my wits end