Member: Jean D
Location: florida
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 11:26:06

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faith with out works is dead

Faith with out works is dead


Member: richard m
Location: sarasota, fl
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 12:12:07

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"faith without goodworks is dead" my name is richard, i am an alcoholic. thanks for the topic jean. since my sobriety date 12-28-85, by staying sober and practicing the program of A.A. , the best way has been by doing service work. A.A. has afforded me plenty of oportunity each day to at least try to do some sort of good work. By staying abstinent from the the alcohol is an important part of the good works we do. We believe it is only thru GODS grace are we able to get sober and stay sober. I am ever gratefull that in the last 12.10.18 years, I have been awake and sober and able to respond to some one elses genuine need. when we go to face to face meetings and do the group service work, once again another chance to show our faith and help another alcoholic recover safely. what a great joy to be a part of A.A. and watch others recover as we did. May god bless you and keep comeing back!!!!!!!!!!


Member: Tim L.
Location: South Carolina
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 14:07:00

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I agree 100% with the FACT that faith without works is dead. Here are a couple of thoughts & observations from my own experience with sobriety. Alcoholics will always be around other alcoholics. When I was a practicing alcoholic I hung out with other practicing alcoholics, after I got sober, I hung out with other recovering alcoholics. I believe that God has made us in such a way that we really NEED each other, & part of that need is communicating with, & helping each other out,in ways that nonalcoholics simply can't. That "communicating with & helping each other out" part can probably be defined as works, & the rewards of those "works", in my own experience, has been great. For through those "works" I have had the oppertunity to watch others (& myself) grow in sobriety, & that by itself, has greatly increased my faith in God & the program of AA.


Member: Justin C.
Location: Fresno Ca.
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 14:47:04

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Hi, I'm Justin an alcohlic. I believe that faith is seen in action. Faith without action is not faith, but speculation. I feel I must always be open to God's will for me. I never know what God has for me to do unless I look. And I'm the type of persos that at times predetermines what action God wants from me. Without prayer and meditation. I can justify my own selfishness and selfseeking motives for God's will. So I must constantly watch my motives. And remeber that God will use me in whatever way he needs me.(tough on the ego)


Member: Pat R
Location: NYC
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 15:07:30

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I am Pat and definitely an alcoholic. Faith without works is dead. I direct this topic to the coffee pot, a lot of people are dropping out with good sobriety leaving the newcomers to flounder on their own. We must remember our singleness of purpose is help alcholics achieve sobriety. Somewhere if we are to practice faith without works then works must be to rebuild the coffee pot STOP THE INVENTORY TAKING TAKE YOUR OWN GODDAMN INVENTORY.


Member: Craig D
Location: Portland,OR
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 15:28:43

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Hi,my name is Craig, I'am an Alcoholic. Faith without works is dead. This is so true. How can you have faith in anything without working at it? It wouldn't be true faith if you didn't have works. I have to work at staying sober everyday, day by day, this I have faith in. I all so have faith in my God and other Alcoholics as well. Thanks for the Topic Jean, and thank you A.A. Craig


Member: Connie-Alcoholic
Location:
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 16:50:44

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Thanks Jean for the topic-faith without work is Dead. If I don't have faith in my higher power, I don't have any spirituality. Without faith there is fear to change, fear of people, fear to live, fear of the unknown. Unless I maintain my belief and faith in the Steps, I am in danger of suffering a relapse. Faith is very important in my recovery today, cause I can't not help another alcoholic without the faith I can do it one day at a time.

Have a wonderful week everyone and keep sharing your experience, strength and hopes


Member: Bruce H
Location:
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 18:10:05

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Good topic,God does for you what you cant do for yourself,yet he doesn't do for me what I can do for myself. I remember once when I had a flat tire standing on the side of the road , asking God,"what now". A police officer pulled up and saw my delemma and asked "hey ya gotta spare" ,suddenly it occured to me that if I was going to go anywhere I'd have to change my tire. WE MUST EVER REMAIN VIGILANT IN OUR PRAYER LIFE AND WORKING WITH OTHERS!! John Barleycorn is out there doing push-ups PEACE


Member: Tom F.
Location: New Mexico
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 19:45:10

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My thinker is broken. When I think I'm doing something good, I'm usually doing something to feel good.

Thank God/AA I have faith, turn this over, try to do what I'm asked, and pray that my sponsor will have the wisdom to know the difference.

Thank God/AA that today the only good works I hold myself accountable for is the next right thing. Hope it's fun.


Member: RUDY  F                      
Location: SPRING HILL,FL
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 20:28:01

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FAITH AFFORDS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IF ALL I CAN DO IS GET TO A MEETING, THAN MY HIGHER POWER IS WITH MY EFFORTS. IN THE BEGINNING THIS WAS ALL THAT I WAS CAPABLE OF DOING. TODAY I RECOGNIZE THAT NO MATTER WHO SHOWS UP AT A MEETING, I HAVE FAITH AND CAN ACCEPT THAT EVERYTHING IS JUST AS PLANNED BY MY HIGHER POWER. MY WORK IS TO GET TO MEETINGS TO PASS ON THE GOOD NEWS--MIRACLES..


Member: Gary
Location:
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 20:39:57

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There is no magic road to sobriety. Without working the program that AA offers and coming to believe that I cannot manage life on my own, I fall flat on my face at step one.


Member: Richmond P
Location: Memphis, Tn
Date: 18 Oct 1998
Time: 23:20:24

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Hi, my name is Richmond, I'm an alcoholic After we take steps 2&3 we then begin the action part of the program. After all steps 2&3 are mostly mental, where we basicly affirm our belief in a higher power, and turn our lives over to that higher power. Agreeing to let that higher power run our life as we understand him. Faith we call it. Although that faith is an underlying strength of the program of alcoholics annonymous it is not the sole fabric that has for over sixty years made the program the success it is today. It is the works of the individual member coupled with that faith that has proven to be effective in the program of A.A. Working the 12 steps on a daily basis, going to meetings, chairing meetings, carrying the message to treatment centers, prisons, and the streets, talking to other alcoholics, on a daily basis. The big book tells me that I have a daily repreive from this disease, contingent on the mainteance of my spiritual condition. I must work to maintain that good solid spiritual foundation. As analcoholic I ocassionaly face some storms in life and it is the work that I have done to have a solid and insurmountabe foundation that helps me to weather those storms and not pickup. I am not around A.A. I am in A.A. being involved with the innergroup, doing service work,organizing A.A. related events. You can't just go to meetings you have to get in involved. One alcoholic helping another, going to any length that how this program works.


Member: BRIAN H
Location: RAPID CITY S.D.
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 00:23:31

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HI I'M BRIAN,ALCOHOLIC My faith would be indeed dead without works,my own leap of faith was to believe that this unseen God would take a personal interest in helping and improving my life,after quite a few 24hrs. and completely new new and better life,I know that few moments of prayer at the beginning of my day when I ask God for the strength and honesty to sober today is the single most powerful thing that I can do to improve my life and my only "fighting chance" at a future,so practice and time my faith grows that this unseen God is as interested in helping this drunk as anything ,I mean anything else in the universe. And there is a difference between pacticing faith and service work, not to hurt anyones feelings out there,I work my faith, stay sober 24hrs. a day and carry a message ,you either HEAR it or you don't,it just that damn simple, thank you.


Member: Linda P (Traveler)
Location: CA, USA
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 01:14:12

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Hi, Linda (Traveler)an alcoholic.

Great topic Jean. Prayer and meditation through the 11th step is the action that demonstrates my Faith. Through those spiritual activities I have a release from dispare over difficulties, knowing and trusting that God can handle anything I have concerns about. Either God is relieving me of the burden, or directing me to what to do next.

The flat tire story above is a good illustration. The Serenity Prayer takes on the flavor of "Faith without works is dead." Once the HP has been addressed, it is a matter of acceptance, change, or having the wisdom to select which one of those is correct for the situation. Changing that tire sounded like the right one. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: john mc
Location: u.k.
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 04:56:36

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GOOD MORNING. I'd like to share my E.S.H. On the topic of faith. After 9 months, 6 meetings a week I was at the jumping off point, I just could'nt get this "simple" programme!! Then I heard two guys on tape(Joe and Charlie)talking about this programme,"BINGO", "spiritual" awaken ings all over the place. I found what they had to say about faith very easy to understand.They gave the example of how switching on the light switch is an act of faith?! Every time we do it the light comes on, consistant, reliable, tried and tested just like this Programme, it was so simple I felt stupid!! Why do we so readily get on an airoplane, why do we entrust our lives to a complete stranger, the pilot?? !Faith! Not blind faith. !Faith! Based on fact, it's the safest way to travel, though I still don't like it. Desperation brought me to A.A. Joe and Charlie gave me hope, God sent the man(Decribed on P.P.18 B/Book), I did as he directed, came to believe, so far I've survived everything King Alcohol has thrown my way, a day at a time,from that has developed an unshakeable *faith* in this programme. Please read the chapter to the Agnostic, it has many fine examples of why we need *FAITH*. Ta.Ta.


Member: Jennifer S
Location: WNY
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 08:40:42

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My, oh, my. This can't possibly be a coincidence! You all have given me just what I needed. I recently tried to do something that I thought was helpful to my sobriety and others. It is not going as I "planned" I started to panic! In fact, I panicked until I got to this topic.... Did I forget that "faith without works is dead"? Apparently so. Thank you for the reminder!


Member: Sandra D
Location: Dominican Republic
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 17:02:14

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Great topic Jean. I've been sober a while now and I need to keep the memory green. I've been putting off working the program and was beginning to feel miserable. (You'd thhink after 16 years I'd learn) Anyway we just had Hurricane Georges rip through here and I was able to get through aftermath relatively well and actually be of service to others. Funny thing is as always I am the recipient of the good feelings and begin to wonder why I ever let myself get away from it. Someone mentioned above the fact that too many oldtimers are forgetting how much the oldtimers helped us. Thank you for that because "mea culpa" and I'm greatful to be sober and find myself rediscovering how great this program is and how the only person I hurt when I forget about "faith without works is dead" is myself and that there are always people out there like you to reawake people like me to the wonders of sobriety. 24 hours to us all!


Member: Ron H.
Location: Miami, Florida
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 17:40:22

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I'm an alcoholic named Ron. I have been sober since February 1,1984. This is my first time on the AA net. Thanks Jean. Faith is something that has just kept growing for me over the years. Not always perfection, but spiritual progress is made by actively seeking the peace and happiness of sobriety. To me that means that I have to stay active in my group practice the principals in all my affairs, and give back what has been so freely given to me. Usually, it's simple, but even the times that are hard or inconvenient must still be addressed and tended. My faith now has a sober history of almost 15 years. I know it works when I do my part. Thanks.


Member: Kathy N.
Location: Warrensburg Mo
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 17:45:07

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My name is Kathy and I'm an Alcoholic. When I hear, Faith without works is dead, I think of the woman who needs a job. She wakes up gets on her knees every morning and asks God to get her a job. After she has put in her request she sits by the phone all day waiting for the job to call. Prayer and comumication with a Higher Power is viatal in my recovery. However I can not think myself into good actions. I must act my way into good thinking. I must be willing to do the footwork. Doesn't mean I have to like it, just be willing to do it. I am so grateful to be sorber for today. Sending out hope and AA Love to all! Kathy N.


Member: Bonnie B.
Location: Maine
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 18:32:52

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Member: Bonnie B.
Location: Maine
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 18:39:20

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Hi, my name is Bonnie and I am an alcoholic. Faith without works is dead. Faith covers a lot of ground and is basic for spiritual growth. It is God who gives us the inspiration to want to do good -- and then comes the action. If we think outselves out of the good action we nullify it. But if I just DO IT I will be led to see the deeper meaning of it and also have more options in the future. I did not think I was an alcoholic when I went to treatment but one step led to another and what I have today is an abundant life of joy, happiness and freedom to choose the good. I was frustrated that I could not find a "chat" meeting, or rather than my computer would not allow me to, but I have gotten so much from this meeting. Thank you all for posting your comments. The steps are the essence of goodness and how to accomplish that in our lives. faith will lead us to Faith and constant contact with God.


Member: Mitch G.
Location: Toronto Canada
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 20:19:54

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Thanks for all of your comments. I think I needed to read everything here. I'm a newcomer to "Cyber-Sobriety". I think that is what is wrong with my life right now. I'm sober and doing absolutely nothing with my experience faith and hope. I changed jobs last year and have been excusing myself from meetings ever since. From others experience, I have learned that I will excuse myself right into another drunk if I'm not careful! Where would I be today if everyone that had come through the doors before me had been "to tired" to show up at meetings?! Thanks for the kick in the butt.


Member: Paul M.
Location: Santa Rosa, Ca.
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 21:32:07

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Faith is very important in my sobriety. I am coming up on one year in December and in that year I have accomplished so many things that I would not even of dreamed of when I was out there drinking. For one thing I went back to school at age 41 and am now getting a computer specialist certificate.AA has given me my life back. I feel like I have a purpose and with the help of god and each other in the program I know now that I can realize that purpose. I have one other question. I am going to Hawaii in January as a sobriety birthday present to myself. If there is anyone online that lives in Hawaii and that is in AA I would love to hear from you. Until then I wish everyone a wonderful holiday. Just remember to "live life on life's terms".


Member: Linda O
Location: PTB, FL
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 21:47:06

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Hi! I'm Linda and I'm an alcoholic.

Thanks, Jean, for the topic. I needed to read all the posts on the subject since I have a tendency to forget that faith without works is dead. Too often I'm like the example given above -- sitting by the phone waiting for a job! I have to be ever vigilant against the complacency, and always strive for the "next right thing."

In love and service.


Member: DJ
Location: NORFOLK
Date: 19 Oct 1998
Time: 23:38:56

Comments

FATH WITH OUT WORKS. WORKS WITH OUT FATH.FOR ALL

THE WRONG REASONS.I MUST BE CAREFUL NOT TO BECUME

AA COP.KEEPING OTHERS AND ME FROM RECOVERING TO

FUEL MY SICKNES! ALKIE SAYS GOD BLESS


Member: JamesK
Location: PA. USA.
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 01:01:36

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My name is James and I'm an Alcoholic. I've been out of the program and, needless to say, drunk and miserable for some time now. Finally, and only because I'm about to be fired from my "dream job", I'm returning to the rooms. What a wonderful surprise to find that while I'm alone in my hotel room, in the middle of the night, in a town I don't know, I've found the home that left so long ago. This I know, I have faith that God will deliver me from the evil of alcoholism. I also know this though, I've got to deliver myself to a meeting. Thanks to all of you for being "there". Please pray for me and all the other still suffering alcoholics.


Member: tony g
Location: ma
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 02:32:45

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tony and alcoholic..,God helps those who want to help themselves,sound familiar?work with your higher power and things will work aa is a spiritual program,practiced one day at a time.God bless


Member: Alison P.
Location: Lompoc, CA
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 02:51:11

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Hi, I'm Alison and I am and alcohloic. I got sober this time around in Sitka, Alaska (not called the "Last Frontier State" for nothing!) There the memebers in AA took me by the hand (literally) and led me to the kitchen after meetings to wash coffee cups and ashtrays. When I would walk in the door, they would assign me as a greeter. Little things like that taught me about "works." They had me in action right from the beginning. It worked; I am now sober for over 7 years now. But I have since moved away from that town and where I live now the AA is a real mess. I joined a new group and started a noon meeting that no one comes to. I keep showing up though, week after week. An oldtimer told me that someday someone will walk through the door who really needs a meeting. I have faith and am trying to do the "works" but I am getting discouraged. I am so happy that this is here because since no one showed up at my Monday noon meeting today, I was still able to "get a meeting in." I really needed a meeting.Thank you for reading my share.


Member: nataliea.
Location: way-down, tx.
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 10:25:09

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Good Morning! Natalie, alcoholic. James, welcome back, it is amazing how this thing works. I'll have you in my prayers.

Right now I sit here with an obsession to drink, first since early sobriety. The topic is for me through my HP. Thanks for the reminders everyone.

Truly, nothing changes if nothing changes.

Have a great day all!

Love and Peace in the program,Natalie


Member: Alky
Location: usa
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 13:42:10

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Some works that keep the faith alive: going to a meeting, sharing at a meeting, chairing a meeting, going on a commitment, showing up at a meeting early, staying after the meeting, going out for coffee with other drunks, making coffee, setting up the hall, putting away chairs, selling raffle tickets, doing Chip Club, giving the secretary's report, handling the group treasury, calling a sponsor or sponsee or AA friend, taking an AA job as bookee, taking AA hotline 12th step calls, letting former drinking buddies know you're sober and in AA, making an amend, serving on an AA comittee, volunteering as a temporary sponsor, attending AA workshops, putting a buck in the basket, attending group business meetings, shaking the hand of a newcomer, giving out and taking phone numbers, and anything that helps spread the AA message, especially setting a good example as an active AA member.


Member: Frank
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 15:23:40

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Hi all friends of Bill W. I am a son of Bill and work with young people struggling with this dreaded desease! I LOVE this topic!!! A great example of this can be seen at a church that am not returning to. I saw this minister get up and give his sermon, and I felt something was missing. It reminded me of what a co-worker once told her group. She said "tone is EVERYTHING!" I saw this person doing the works with what looked to this writer as condicention rather than sharing self discovery or "Giving it away" I believe the "Works" needs to be accompanied by humility and an attitude of sharing NOT teaching. There are other reasons I will not return to that particular church, but, I thought this particular story would be a good response to the topic could be. As sir Izac Newton (sp?) said "never confuse work with motion! Or spelling abilities (HA HA) Peace!


Member: Mouse
Location: Surrey B.C.
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 22:16:07

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Hi I'm Mouse and I'm an alcoholic. Wow good topic. My life from the start of this program has been nothing but faith, and work. On the 26th of November I will have 4 hard but great years in this program. Let me tell ya that if it wasn't for the work I do in my home group, the steps, and everything that goes with a.a. I would not be here today. This program works If YOU work it. This is a life saving program for everybody, if we can see how it works, and trust that the ceator will guide us to were we need to go in our lives. I did and now I'm sober. I know for myself it was not easy, nobody said it would be.The old timers said it was simple, not easy. I have the faith to carry on today, and not die. today I want to live. All I can do is is do my best. I have enough faith in my ceator to know that he will give just what I need, and a little of what I want. I hope everybody another 24 and thanks for mine. Mouse


Member: Dean Huffman
Location: Marion, Oh
Date: 20 Oct 1998
Time: 23:44:53

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Hi, Dean Huffman, alcoholic. I thought I lost my faith when I got caught up in the turmoil of acute alcoholism. Truth is , I never new what faith was to begin with. I have a greater understanding of faith, now, but I am still learning. I have seen the very tip of the iceberg and am trying to maintain patience while trying to view the whole mountain of ice. Thanks to everyone for sharing and helping.

Love,

Deano


Member: BOB
Location:
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 03:35:26

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Member: BOB
Location:
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 03:35:39

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Member: Rivner
Location: Santa Fe (high-desert), N.Mex
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 08:57:56

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Howdy! I'm an alcoholic, my name is Rivner.

I got lost for a while in the "works" part of Faith Without Works Is Dead. Before I got into construction/building I was in human service. After many years I came to realize that I was just running around rescuing. It was/is very easy for me to hide from myself in the service of others (give me someone bleeding on the street - please!). I don't like dealing with my own stuff and the disease in me will take any opportunity to distract me from my own recovery efforts. That's job; to do whatever it takes to sustain it's paracitic life in my host soul. It is cunning, baffling & powerful - isidious (lying in wait as if to entrap).

I had/have to find that delicate balance between helping (when God sticks it under my nose), and running around town picking up drunks and trowing them on the wagon. The latter would be me doing the control thing, the ego thing, giving the disease just what it wants. I have never been appointed by God to do His work. I've had to learn how to wait until He "bumps" me into someone, and even then I need to be careful how much of my blood I leve on the table. I can only give what I got, if what I got is healthy; otherwise - what am I giving?

Out here they call this Phase Two Recovery; moving from the bottle to the integration of a more mature physical, intellectual & emotional/spiritual self. Obviously I can't do this if my veins are stoked with the juice. I guess you could say I used to practice self-abuse through sponsorship - a self-appointed apostle who wasn't happy unless I had my nose stuck into the business of a whole drove of drunks. Not much more than an outlaw gang leader now that I think about it.

I reckon this will be a life-long pursuit, looking for this delicate balance, this middle ground. Faith does take work. For me a big chunk of the work needs to be centered on the 11th step stuff while letting God call the service shots. It's His Grace that takes no work. That's just my daily decision that I want to be in it. I've just got to remember that that's the only horse worth bein' on.

Thanks y'all. It's just a flat-out joy to be able to sit here at the sunrise and write out this stuff; gives me a fine focus on the day; kind of the oatmeal for the soul; what I call a "Wilfred Brimely" (It's the right thing to do).

We're all children of God, nasty or otherwise, and God loves us all, and I ain't God, so I'm workin' on lovin' who He hooks me up with, and that means y'all (except that guy who ain't here yet, 'cuz he ain't here yet!).

Hasta La Proxima vez, paz!

Riv.


Member: Bonnie C - 5/30/80
Location: Seattle
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 12:22:49

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Hi/Ola extended family, bonnie/alcoholic here, (((ROOM-HUG))) good topic ((jean)) Faith without works is dead - I have the disease of alcoholism which is kept in remission by not taking that first drink, my remission is the direct result of faith in God, my faith in God is the direct result of not standing still when *crap* happens. when I'm in the middle of a fearful time, I just have to do the next indicated *right* thing to do instead of sit around and wallow in my self-pity and fear. In times where nothing is happening and I feel pretty good I try to share the hope of this program with as many hurting alcoholics as I can (before and after meetings) along with washing dishes, cooking for pot lucks, chairing meetings, many phone calls, have put my name in at AA central as a contact for 12 step calls, there are so many ways we can help the alcoholic who still suffers, ((jamesk)) prayers out for you dear brother ((allison)) dear heart, moved from CA to WA several yrs back, wanted a step meeting like at home, started one, nobody showed, so I go to other meetings and when they ask for AA announcements I tell them about my new meeting and that it needs support, sometimes I get over 20people there are about 12 regs, good luck, love and hugs to all, bon - Dear God please bless all who venture here


Member: n.jan t..................
Location: ct
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 16:30:25

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hi everyone I<m jan from ct;2-1-85this is my first net meeting,and am I grateful to be here!welcome back to all who have retur.ned--staying is really the easier, softer way, but w/o hp and aa, i am chaos. faith that he can and will if I ask Him keeps me ccoming back. God's peace! J.b


Member: Renee M
Location: California
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 16:52:39

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My name is Renee and I am an alcoholic. I have faith that my Higher Power will guide me where I need to go, and what service I need to do. Working Step 12 is a step of service, which can be worked everyday, anytime, anywhere, with alcoholics and non-alcoholics. I have always been amazed at how my HP will place me where I need to be with whom I need to be with. By remaining willing and teachable my HP works with me. You never know who you may be speaking with or what you may be doing for someone where your influence, actions, and words will make a difference for others. I believe that by working the steps and remaining sober is a great service committment to those who still suffer. Many suffer in ways other than alcoholism. I pray I may be used to help them.


Member: Dan W
Location: Alberta,CANADA
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 17:14:50

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Greetings from DAN, a fellow member from the north..I enjoy life todya and am experiencing a daily reprieve from a "seemingly hopeless state of mind & body"...wow...another miracle...be good to yourselves, GOD bless U; email me at dw_98@hotmail.com...


Member: DAVID
Location: MONTANA
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 18:10:43

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FIRST TIMER ANYONE FEEL AS INTENSE AS I ABOUTADVANCED RECOVERY8TH STEP ISSUES?10YRS SOBER ACYIVE CORE ISSUES REVIELED THRU CAUSES AND CONDITIONS EXAMPLE WARPED LIVES OF BLAMLESS CHILDREN ACKNOLEDGEMENT OF DAMAGE DONE THRUOUT MY LIFE FROM SUPRESSED RAGE HAS ME PARALYZED WITH FEAR AND HOPELESSNESS.


Member: DAVID
Location: MONTANA
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 18:11:23

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FIRST TIMER ANYONE FEEL AS INTENSE AS I ABOUTADVANCED RECOVERY8TH STEP ISSUES?10YRS SOBER ACYIVE CORE ISSUES REVIELED THRU CAUSES AND CONDITIONS EXAMPLE WARPED LIVES OF BLAMLESS CHILDREN ACKNOLEDGEMENT OF DAMAGE DONE THRUOUT MY LIFE FROM SUPRESSED RAGE HAS ME PARALYZED WITH FEAR AND HOPELESSNESS.


Member: Mickey
Location: Boston area
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 20:15:55

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Faith...(?). What is it? I'm one of these people who just don't get it. I can't deny that I have witnessed what can only be described as miracles in this program.Until Sept 3rd.I was one of those miracles.Thirtyone months of sober living w/A.A. and I couldn't handle some life stuff.Why? Because I've "faith" in A.A. & most people in the program.I just read what I've typed.There is no doubt that 7 wks. of almost daily drinking has poisoned my mind.Somewhere in this muddle was my thought on "faith" ie:we can't do this alone. Signing off now. thanks for listening. P.S I am going to detox A.S.A.P.


Member: Willi                 
Location: Deep South
Date: 21 Oct 1998
Time: 21:39:14

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I'm Willi, a greatful recovering Alcoholic. I remember the first time someone said "greatful" recovering alcoholic; I figured they were just trying to impress, but I can use the term with almost 5 yrs sober, not to impress; only to declare a fact I'm so greatful that I understand today. Faith was elusive to me for many years, a puzzle with pieces missing. It was as tho there was a film over things; I couln't see clearly through that film, just blurriness. One day it occurred to me that I understood Truth; so why couldn't I understand Faith? It took a couple simple statements to myself and the LIGHT went on, the film was lifted. The statements were "Truth is SEEING, Truth is BELIEVING". In an instant I could understand what had I'd been searching for, longing for- "Faith is also SEEING, Faith is also BELIEVING"!! Where I got sober they said things like "Fake it til you make it" and "Don't give up 5 minutes before the Miracle". Thank God those things made sense to me and not only do I not have to fake it anymore and I also have and understand Faith. Works are stepping stones to Faith. Thank you for letting me share. AHO!


Member: Tracey W.
Location: Aiken, South Carolina
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 16:58:21

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Hi! my name is Tracey and I am an Alcoholic/Addict:

Unfortunately, it was not until I hit bottom and ended up in AA that I began to understand the difference between religion and faith. I was raised in church and always new there was a God, but AA has shown me how important it is to have a relationship through faith. A couple of weeks ago I kept having drunk dreams. For about 3 nights I got little to no sleep. On the 4th night I awoke yet again at about 3 a.m. I just layed there and sincerely (probably for the first time in a long time) ask God for relief from the dreams. The next thing I knew my Grandmother (who raised me and passed away 5 yrs ago) was standing by the bed reminding me of the story she told me when I was little about faith being like a small lump of coal within me that would never go out as long as I believed. She then told me to listen to God's breath. I responded that I could'nt, but she just keep saying to listen. As I laid there listening the air "took on a sound". She then told me that God's breath was fanning the small lump of coal and making it burn hotter so the coal would burn away the trash that my disease had piled up around the coal, that was making me feel like my life was worthless. I eventually fell asleep and have not had a drunk dream since. I awoke the next day certain in the knowledge that God exists and my prayers have never ceased. I needed carpal tunnel surgery on both wrists (my fingers have been numb since mid-July) which I could not pay for, I have been unable to work since Nov. 1997. Through prayer and friends in my home group, God saw fit to provide me with what I needed and surgery was successfully performed on my left wrist 10/15/98 and the right wrist will be done within the next four weeks. I'm typing this with both hands even though there are still stitches in my left palm. Faith is the key to my sobriety, pray for others is part of the work.

I am now doing service work for my home group in Aiken, South Carolina. We are looking for stories and events from South Carolina members to be printed in the SC newsletter KIT (Keep In Touch). The story topics are "Hope", "Young People in AA" and "Step 1, Tradition 1". The deadline for stories and submission for KIT is January 15, 1998. If any SC residents are interested in submitting a story or calendar of events at their home group you can e-mail me at AuntHairs@aol.com or AuntHairs@netscape.net. I am looking forward to hearing from other AA members soon.

Yours in Sobriety and Unity


Member: Laura F.
Location: Boulder Co.
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 18:08:01

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Ive had to readjust my definition of a higher power. Right now, my hp=life. This has allowed me to stop waiting for things to happen all of the time. Don't get me wrong, i love the magic of life...there is always something in store good or bad, but i feel empowered when i see that my hp is life itself and living life itself can relieve me of my obsession. I don't think any definition of faith could exclude some sort of action. I don't think any action is done with out some sort of faith. Love and thanks


Member: tammy l
Location: NC
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 20:21:15

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hi, im tammy, an alcoholic. good topic. i find that the more i try to help that the more i try to help others the higher my serenity level goes. You can't keep it unless you give it away!


Member: Ariel F.
Location: Central WI, USA
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 21:19:20

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Hi - Ari, alcoholic here. Great topic - faith and works! I remember the first time I tried the program without really committing to working the program. No surprise - it didn't work! I was all gung-ho on the first three steps but when it came to doing some work on myself with steps 4-5 and beyond, I said "no thanks." I stayed sober 4 months and then went out again for almost three years. My "drinking works" landed me eventually in the hospital with 10 times the lethal level of a poison in my system. By the grace of God and Him alone, I survived. I went back to the rooms of AA and decided that if I put even half of the time and effort into staying sober that I did into getting drunk, I had a reasonable chance. God has led me every step of the way and I am still sober 15 months later! Now I know the truth about working the program and I have found it out by working with others. I used to go to meetings and "take" without giving back, sometimes not even sharing. I began looking for little ways to do service work. The more active I got, the better I seemed to do and I certainly felt better than I ever did before. My prayer is for God to lead me according to His will and use me in whatever service He has need of me in. Sometimes I'm scared when I find out what He has in mind for me - like when I was asked to be secretary of my home group. I wasn't sure if I could do it - but I'm doing it with His help. These discussions are really great. I truly enjoy sharing the experience, strength and hope all all of you journeying the recovery road, from whatever end of the globe you may be from. God bless you all!!


Member: beth s.
Location: texas
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 21:21:16

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Hi, I'm Beth, alcoholic. My faith has been weaking lately, maybe it's just birthday jitters, maybe it's life getting to me, maybe it's just that I'm nuts, but reading these messages tonight reminded me what I need to do. I need to get busy and work my program and work with others then my faith will return. It has every other time and I don't think He will let me down this time either. Thanks for reminding me what's important, and an especially big thanks for being here now when I really needed to "hear" these things. I'll definitely keep "listening".


Member: John P.
Location: IA
Date: 22 Oct 1998
Time: 23:32:46

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I'm John,greatful member of A.A.Sober since 2-1-88,haven't regretted a moment of it,yet.This is an action program.You must move, you must act,you must do.He who waits,gets whats left.It's easy to talk about it,all of us are wonderful talkers,it's when the rubber hits the road that sets the talkers and the doers apart.My sponser told me that his sponser told him" the phonies will eliminate themselves".My experience has showen that to be true


Member: Ray W.
Location: Sodus, N.Y.
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 02:03:23

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My name is Ray and I'm an alcoholic. For me, faith without works is the opposite of giving back what has so freely been given to me. If I want to keep it, I have to give it away. I must always remember that I am but a human with human weaknesses and all the faith and all the knowledge in the world won't keep me sober unless I put it into action. It works for me.


Member: BOB C.
Location: ORANGE, CA
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 07:05:29

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Member: BOB C.
Location: ORANGE, CA
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 07:06:27

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Member: BOB C.
Location: ORANGE, CA.
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 07:08:00

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Member: BOB C.
Location: ORANGE, CA.
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 07:37:50

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HI, I'M BOB, AND I'M AN ALCOHOLIC. FAITH WITHOUT WOEKS IS DEAD.

IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME, OF THE MULTITUDES OF ALCOHOLICS THAT COME ATO AA, THAT THERE;S ALWAYS A CHAIR FOR SOMEONE, AND OF ALL THOSE THAT DO COME, NOT ALL OF THEM STAY. SOME COME, AND SOME ARE SO GRATEFUL, THAT THEY GRACE AA, BY SHOWING UP ABOUT ONCE A YEAR OR MORE, AND REPORT ABOUT HOW GREAT THEY'RE DOING, AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE MAKING. IF IT WAS SUCH IN AA THAT EACH OF US COULD COME HERE, GET SOBER, AND THEN SAY, "WELL, I'VE GOT MINE, NOW YOU GET YOURS, HOORAY FOR ME, AND S---- YOU." WHERE WOULD AA BE? THERE WOULD'NT BE ANY. INSTEEAD STAYING SOBER TOGETHER, WE'D ALL DIE ALONE, THEN FAITH WITHOUT WORKS WOULD BE DEAD INDEED.

BOB C. ORANGE, CA,


Member: Teri F.
Location: Ohio
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 10:04:20

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Hi everyone. I'm an alcoholic and my name is Teri. I'm very grateful to be sober today and involved in a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.

There have been so many great comments on this topic. I really don't think I can add anything more except to say, AMEN!!!

Thanks for letting me share...........


Member: Dale s.
Location: California
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 14:54:59

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So many here have had such good things to say. It sounds like a lot of folks are depending on there personal contact with God to tell them or show them his will for them. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understand him. Faith without works is dead. Justin C. wrote "I believe that faith is seen in action" Yes Justin I believe this also. Where did this phrase "Faith without work is dead" come from? The Big Book? Well what exactly did the Big Book define as "works?" Let's look at Steps Eight and Nine. We subjected ourselves to a drastic self- appraisal. Now we go out to our fellows and repair the damage done in the past. Some us have never completely finished this task. We rationalize that for one reason or another that we don't really have to confront the more difficult amends. Remember it was agreed at the beginning we would go to any lengths for victory over alcohol.


Member: Dale S.
Location: California
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 15:09:17

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So many here have had such good things to say. It sounds like a lot of folks are depending on there personal contact with God to tell them or show them his will for them. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understand him. Faith without works is dead. Justin C. wrote "I believe that faith is seen in action" Yes Justin I believe this also. Where did this phrase "Faith without work is dead" come from? The Big Book? Well what exactly did the Big Book define as "works?" Let's look at Steps Eight and Nine. We subjected ourselves to a drastic self- appraisal. Now we go out to our fellows and repair the damage done in the past. Some us have never completely finished this task. We rationalize that for one reason or another that we don't really have to confront the more difficult amends. Remember it was agreed at the beginning we would go to any lengths for victory over alcohol.


Member: Tom A.                                  
Location: Arkamsas
Date: 23 Oct 1998
Time: 21:37:17

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Hello! My name is Tom A. and I am a grateful sober alcholic today by the Grace of God. At my first AA meeting one of the speaker's said that "any damn fool can stay sober for twenty-four hours." That was on July 25, 1960 and I'm still heeding that challenge. This is proof that indeed "faith without works is dead." It is happy meeting you all on AA road to happy destiny!

God Bless - Tom A.


Member: Mark R
Location: Texas Hill Country
Date: 24 Oct 1998
Time: 00:41:34

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Hi! I am Mark and I am an alcoholic. Very good topic. Out in the driveway, I have a car. I believe it runs, everyone tells me it runs, yet if I do not get off my rear and into the car and start it, I am not going to get very far. Such is with my program. The steps work...the promises come true...I can be happy, joyous, and free...IF I WORK THEM. (Funny how that works, huh?) Thanks and KEEP COMING BACK!


Member: Bob G.
Location: Eugene Oregon.
Date: 24 Oct 1998
Time: 08:54:37

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I'm Bob, Alcoholic. One of the greatest examples of how faith works is to show others how faith works in my life and my program. The daily repreeve I get is from my faith that my H.P. is going to give me just what I need to stay sober and live happy, if I do his will and not mine. The booktells me nothing absolutely nothing in gods world happens by chance, I belive this and it takes most of the stress out of my world that I created when I drank. Thanks for letting me share!


Member: CRAIG D
Location: utopia
Date: 24 Oct 1998
Time: 19:38:37

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WHEN I BROUGHT PROGRAM ONLINE IN 84 WAS LIKE BLANK CHECK. ACA.


Member: ken p
Location: boston area
Date: 25 Oct 1998
Time: 00:16:57

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My name is Ken, and I'm an alcholic.

I now know the importance of faith and your higher power. When I first came to A.A. I had a hard time doing steps two and three because I was mad at God for making my life so terrible. But after in A.A. for awhile and reading the 12 and 12 book, and big book and listening to people in the program, I realized that it wasn't God who made my life terrible, it was me. I came to realize that I can't run my life by myself and I need a higher power to turn it over to and help give me the strenght and courage to change in me that made me powerless over alcohol and become a better person. I over came my resentment I had agianst God and pray to him every night for that strenght and courage, and thank him for keeping me away from a drink that day.

You need faith in a higher power to change in you the thing that made you drink or you are more likely to drink again.


Member: Stan L.
Location: Italy
Date: 25 Oct 1998
Time: 05:18:38

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Hello family!! It is great to be here on-line! My name is Stan L. and I am an alcoholic! This is the first time on the internet for me! My sobriety date is Oct.16,1994 and for that I am eternally grateful!My job transferred myself and family to Italy one year ago and there are no meeting here where we live! Thankfully my wife is also a recovering drunk and add a cup of coffee to that and we've got a meeting! Sometimes long ones with the strong Italian Expresso!!We have only recently bought a computer. The topic today is great! My works have been very little lately. I really took for granted all the meetings in the USA! I really miss the meetings and just being around AA's!!I am sober one more day! If anyone has AA contacts around Pescara, Italy please let me know, so we can get together! Love you all! Thanks!