Member: Charlie Darling
Location: Key West FL
Remote Name: 68.154.99.64
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 06:47 AM -0400

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Good Morning Family Charlie Darling a very GRATEFUL recovering Alcholic Freedom under God as we understand him, that was a line in one of my readings this morning. I am free especially from the alchol. I would like to hear more about freedom. I can't He could. God Bless all, and have a great day. Peace and Love Charlie kwduke_1999@yahoo.com


Member: JMac
Location: Toledo, Ohio
Remote Name: 208.252.179.23
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 09:20 AM -0400

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Good morning Key West Charlie! Yes Freedom! Freedom from denial today to be able to recognize my faults and work on them. Freedom from always having to speak before I think. Freedom from the obsession to drink. That blessed freedom to wake up this morning a sober, useful human being. Oh yes I have problems, and my mind still runs in circles and starts to smoke, but I have someplace to turn today, to my sponser, to my God, to my family. Every day is a gift given to me, the life I led before did not warrent the life I have now. Everything about my existence is freedom! God given and I am grateful, both in words and in actions. People ask me why I am always smiling, if they only knew that life today is a 180 degree turn from my life when I wasn't free, when I had no choice, when alcoholism was my master. Let us all remember to thank God today, and be kind to others. For me hurting others is easy, loving them is hard. Lord, thank you for the freedom of choice today, and I choose you!


Member: Tracy
Location: Little ole England
Remote Name: 62.255.64.7
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 09:23 AM -0400

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Freedom...yes freedom from my self imposed prison...I was living a life that wasn't mine...drinking to be able to get through day by day...but now I have choices...freedom to choose whatever...and all without having to pick a drink up..or better still..not even thinking about picking a drink up..I am no longer hostage to alcohol or the mental obsession...that is true freedom... trace62.v@ntlworld.com


Member: Joe B.
Location: Charleston,W.V.
Remote Name: 205.188.117.14
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 10:37 AM -0400

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Higang, just back from a short visit to the mountains, what views! My son is sober 4 years and we attended a meeting together. What a joy to see him sober.Our family has a lot of gratitude for the freedom sobriety brings.Thanks.Joe.B.


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.231.160.24
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 10:37 AM -0400

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HI all, Bill here, Alcoholic from Arizona. Ah yes... Freedom!! What an awesome feeling. I have been relieved of the bondage of self. I am no longer chained to King Alcohol. I have the freedom of choice. God loves me so much that He gave me the free will to choose to drink or not to drink on a daily basis. When I was drinking I had no choice. I had to drink, I needed to drink. Today I walk a free man. I have choices today. Thank you very much, Love you all. Bill


Member: mark m
Location: columbia tn
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 11:47 AM -0400

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the fact is that most alcoholics for reasons yet obscure have lost the power of choice in drink our socalled will power becomes practically nonexistent my powerlessness over alcohol does not cease when i quit drinking in sobriety i still have no choice i can't drink the choice i do have is to pick up and use the "kit of spiritual tools just a little thought for people who think they have a choice everyday marm m, alcoholic


Member: Lise
Location: Alberta
Remote Name: 24.71.223.142
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 03:18 PM -0400

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Freedom, what a great feeling. Today I am truly free and I love it. For too many years booze ran my life. My day didn't start until 10:00 am when the liqour store opened. I took a bottle with me every where I went. We didn't go to functions that didn't serve booze, everything I did including cleaning my house required a couple shots of vodka. Then when I started in recovery I still was not free as I got very fearful and my recovery became an excuse not to do anything. I can't do that because it might stress me out and I might relapse, I can't go there they might have booze I might relapse. I was unhappy and still felt like a slave to the booze and eventually relapsed. It has been a long process of learning to create balance in my life and now I have it. Yes I am free at last.


Member: Katnash
Location: Floral City, Florida
Remote Name: 165.247.65.59
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 03:51 PM -0400

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Hello everyone. Kathleen here, alcoholic. Thanks for the topic Charlie. Freedom. When the obsession to drink was removed that was such an awesome freedom. But the most freeing experience was after I did my 4th and especially 5th step. The weight that was lifted was so totally awesome. I love this program... Thanks for being here. Kathleen


Member: Joe P
Location: Chicago
Remote Name: 4.158.186.44
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 06:21 PM -0400

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My name is Joe, and I am an alcoholic. Right now, I have the capacity to get up out of this chair, obtain an alcoholic beverage, and pour it into my body. I could do that. I have the choice to drink. It is an option. But I’m not going to do that. Why? Because I also at this moment have the desire not to drink. And that is the miracle – I have been relieved of the compulsion. Freed from the obsession with alcohol, I have a desire to live and a desire to remain sober today. In the most basic sense, I can choose to drink and choose to not drink today. But am I able to choose to be free from the obsession with alcohol? In my belief, that freedom is a gift that I nurture and cherish on a daily basis. If I do not maintain that gift of having a desire to not drink, then the obsession with alcohol will probably return, and I will probably return to drinking, at which point I would no longer have a choice about drinking – I would go back to HAVING TO drink. For by now sanity has returned. I have been restored to being able to honestly see what alcohol does to me, and freed from the insanity of believing that alcohol is my only solution. Grateful to all of you for helping me stay sober another day.


Member: Bill S
Location: St Petersburg Fl
Remote Name: 24.144.82.199
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 07:56 PM -0400

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I was the hamster in the cage that went round and round. I had no WD-40 (or program. I'm free from that today.


Member: Kat
Location: Boston
Remote Name: 24.91.174.173
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 09:02 PM -0400

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I have freedom from alcohol today and for that I am so grateful. However, sometimes I still get caught in our society's pull for bigger, better, faster, more and I find that just as addictive. I want to live a simpler life and not have a new pair of shoes make me feel better. So I'll just keep turning that over to God and pray for all obsessions to leave me... above all from the "bondage of self." Amen and nitey night. Kat


Member: Barb Mc
Location: PA
Remote Name: 70.16.132.180
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 09:23 PM -0400

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Barbara, alcoholic. Good evening to all. I now have the freedom to choose NOT to drink. Like many have said once I started there was no stopping until I had blacked out or there was no alcohol left. And that didn't happen very often. I always made sure I had enough booze to last at least 48 hours. It is great not to have to worry if I had enough. It is great not to have to remember which liquor store I had been to last and which one was up on the buying schedule. Couldn't have the clerks think I had a problem with alcohol now could I? One for each day of the week. The greatest freedom of all is not being a slave to a bottled liquid that took over my body, mind and soul. It is fantastic that I now have the freedom to believe in the God (Higher Power, Great Spirit, The Great I AM, whatever name you want) that I understand. Ain't life great? Hugs to all.


Member: ryandean
Location: denver
Remote Name: 172.203.58.183
Date: 25 Apr 2004
Time: 11:34 PM -0400

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Good topic, Florida Charlie. Only by the grace of God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ may we be saved, healed, and obtain freedom from addiction. I hear so many people in AA who fail to understand this. They will tell a newcomer, "Make a doorknob your higher power," "Make the group your higher power," etc. Well, no doorknob is going to get you clean and sober. Neither will the group. Only God and Jesus will free you from your addiction. That is why only 4 out of every 1,000 people who walk through the doors of AA ever truly get clean and sober. They rely upon the man-made program of Bill Wilson, a person who never had a single day of actual sobriety in his life. Such reliance has never worked and never will. Sadly, almost every person in AA eventually dies of his or her addiction, be it alcohol, tobacco, pills, or some other addiction. AA really needs to tell newcomers the truth so that they may be touched with God's healing power.


Member: chuckm
Location: Alberta
Remote Name: 209.197.147.185
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 03:24 AM -0400

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I,m Chuck an alcoholic. By doing the steps I am now free of the negative beliefs and thinking that made my life miserable. I no longer need the daily painkiller alcohol. Peace and Serenity


Member: Craig L (Dogmanor@yahoo.com)
Location: Aloha, Oregon
Remote Name: 65.102.61.160
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 10:16 AM -0400

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Craig L here, another “real alcoholic” (page 21). Yesterday, the man checking me out at the grocery reeked of alcohol. He had that wall-eyed glazed look; I used to think no one else could see. For a second, I saw myself in him, trying to maintain, hoping no one could tell. I felt profound pity and then a deep gratitude for the freedoms I enjoy today. I pray he will find us one day.


Member: joe W
Location: Lufkin, TX
Remote Name: 66.76.20.235
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 11:24 AM -0400

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Joe, an alky. good morning. When did I lose my freedom? At birth or the day that started drinking uncontrollable. I never drank with any form of control with the exception that if there wasn't enough I wouldn't start. By the time that I knew that I was an alcoholic the insanity was deep seated and rational thinking was a memory if it ever existed. I have met a lot of intellectuals that have tried to think their way through AA instead of working the steps. I don't know the exact date and time that I was relieved from the complusion to drink but the freedom started then and has progressed since. This has been over 35 years now. I can toss the freedom and go back to the old way any time that I want. I guess that is freedom. It sounds more like insanity. I think of it as tempting God and that too would be a bit insane. Of course, today seems that "no" does'nt mean "no". I hear people tell their children no and dozen times and then say yes. I guess that if one believes that God works that way then we have total freedom to do waht ever and life will be great.


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.231.160.24
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 11:39 AM -0400

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HI Bill here Alcoholic from Arizona and somewhat of an AA history buff. ryandean. Would you please email me some documentation on Bill Wilson never being sober? Sober always meant "not drunk" to me. I am a medical care professional retired from Swedish Medical Center there in Englewood. And as such there were some concerns on trying to deal with smoking and quad and para rehab at the same time. (First Things First) BTW I got sober in Boulder county and have been to the York Street Club many times. Hope to hear from you. Open minded. Bill


Member: Rarely
Location: rontherocket@hotmail.com
Remote Name: 207.161.33.60
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 12:02 PM -0400

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The choice to drink or not. Some people post here who are A.A. members. Some who are not. And others who just talk treatment. In the book Alcoholics Anonymous on page 34 it states "Whether such a person can quit upon a nonspiritual basis depends upon the extent to which he has already lost the power to choose whether he will drink or not." I for one have lost the power to choose whether I drink or not. When the people who think they still have a choice go on a 12 step call and the drunk says I have to quit drinking Do you reply from your position of superiority that you have the choice to drink or not. Do you tell him he has the choice and that if he chooses to drink it will be okay. Or do you have some secret message that after a period of sobriety in A.A. he to will have the choice to drink or stay sober. If we have a choice why on earth do we need A.A.? I have always thought that my sobriety was a God given gift and for me to think that I can throw this gift back into Gods face on any given day of the week is pretty pertinacious of me. The obsession to drink has been lifted from me through the help of A.A. and a power greater than myself. for me to go around bragging about how I now have a choice to drink would short change what God and A.A. has done for me. As the big book says I have already lost the power to choose long before I got here. And A.A. is not about giving us the choice to go back drinking. None A.A. members and those who are just out of treatment can think what they will. But for this A.A. member TO DRINK IS TO DIE.


Member: Kim D
Location: Bridgewater
Remote Name: 209.113.227.200
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 01:26 PM -0400

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Hi everyone. Kim here, alcoholic. Freedom from the mental obsession to drink has to be the biggest one of all for me. To barely think about drinking, even when my life does it's life thing, fills me with wonder and no short amount of gratitude.


Member: Amber
Location: Wendell, Idaho
Remote Name: 204.134.231.26
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 04:33 PM -0400

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Amber, Alcoholic. Thank god for these rooms no matter what form they may come in. no one can do it alone but together WE can. We are not in this alone. Everyone's choice of higher power is really up to them. There is no where that says who or what that may be to each member. We can't tell them what we think it is beacuse it may not be for them. I know the first time I walked into one of those rooms and someone would have tried to explain their higher power to me I would of probably ran away. Amber


Member: Ross G.
Location: Maine
Remote Name: 216.65.64.57
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 05:05 PM -0400

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....."freedom's just another word for nothin left to lose"(Janis Joplin)and thats what I had the day I sobered up 5 yrs. ago. No job, no home, no friends, no family, nothin! I was a street bum, panhandler, trash picker. Man that was freedom, I cared about nothin cept the buzz. Went where I wanted, did what I wanted, did it for years(over 20). Why did I sober up? Because that kind of freedom would have killed me! And I had at least one functioning brain cell left to realize that. But by then it was to late to do anything about it so God intervened. You know, that force that is responsible for the course of events that defy human logic and understanding(and manipulation). So now I enjoy new freedoms (to many to list here) and an insight into the difference, which makes me grateful. Freedom for me is about having choices, God given choices. Addiction takes those choices away. Today I choose not to drink, its a no-brainer to me but I do remember a day when I had no brains and no choices. I thank God for this day. That's the difference.


Member: Jimmy D
Location: Worcester
Remote Name: 209.113.190.42
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 06:50 PM -0400

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I haven't talked in a long time. Been in and out doing the research thing for years. Trying to get back now. I loved the women's comment about how a liquid controlled her body, mind and soul. I want her to know, that statement struck a chord with me and brought a tear to my eye. Alcohol controls it all. I'm done with that. Thanks for letting me share


Member: mark m
Location: columbia tn
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 08:40 PM -0400

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RARELY you hit the nail on the head it's in the book I BELIVE IN THE BOOK


Member: roze
Location: Penna.
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 10:11 PM -0400

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roze here a real alcoholic, i totally agree with you rarely,soberity is a gift from GOD & i know i don't want to give it back! for me too to drink is to die.


Member: Mike L
Location: kzoo Mi
Remote Name: 24.176.12.155
Date: 26 Apr 2004
Time: 11:07 PM -0400

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Rarely- I understand where your'e coming from, but I think we're hung up on words here. My thoughts are when the obsession to drink was removed from me, I regained the choice whether to drink or not. When I was drinking, I didn't know there was a choice. I HAD TO DRINK! Now, as long as I'm worknig the program, I have the choice whether to drink or not. That doesn't mean I can choose to drink and everything will be OK. It means, I can choose to drink and go back to that hell I left behind or I can choose to not drink and work the program and actually live a real life. If I was on a 12th step call what I would say is, you can drink and things will stay the same or get worse, or you can stop and work on making life better. It's your choice. Like I said, I think we're just getting hung up on words here. Choice is not a bad word or thing. What you do with your choices are what's good or bad.


Member: ryandean
Location: denver
Remote Name: 172.209.190.97
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 12:20 AM -0400

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Greetings, AZBill. As a AA history buff, I am sure that you are aware that Bill Wilson died of complications related to his drug addiction. Unfortunately, this is the fate of most AA's. As far as him actually being drunk on the day of his death, I am not in possession of that information. If you let your addiction kill you, then you haven't achieved any actual sobriety in my humble opinion. If you believe that a person who destroys his life with drugs, but because of hospitalization or other factors uses no drugs on the last day of his life, dies clean and sober, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. For me, actual sobriety means learning to live a full life without the need of dependence upon drugs. Best wishes to you, my friend.


Member: jimr
Location: chicago
Remote Name: 68.164.230.197
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 01:28 AM -0400

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ryan if you want to stick to subjects relating to alcohol you're more than welcome to share. If not, take the nicotine crap to NA or elswhere. Obsessed are we?


Member: chuckm
Location: Alberta
Remote Name: 209.197.147.74
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 03:12 AM -0400

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I'm Chuck, an alcoholic. Before I came to AA I had a sick mind and had to drink. No choice. Now that I have a healthy mind I can't drink.No choice.


Member: shauna
Location: yalgoo, western australia
Remote Name: 144.135.70.135
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 06:03 AM -0400

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Hi, Shauna here and I'm an alcoholic. Freedom for me is a very important by product of me working the 12 steps to the best of my ability, with the result being a continuing relationship with the God of my understanding. As long as I pray for God's will and the POWER to carry it out, I will be blessed with God's power to do and be whatever is necessary for my day. It is this power given me on a daily basis from God that allows me to make the choices I do, one of them being the choice not to drink on a daily basis. If I stray from my ongoing connection with God, I find my choices start to get very ragged and "insane thinking" returns, and thank God that to this day I have been able to do what AA suggests to get back on track by aligning my will with that of my God. I need and now want AA on a daily basis as it is the very fellowship that God chose to send me to get and maintain sobriety, so as long as He wants me in the fellowship, I do not have the choice to leave or I would not be doing His will. I have the freedom now through God's grace to do many things and be with many people that would have had me running scared before. I am able to act now, not react. The promises are working for me, sometimes well, sometimes not so well, but they do work if I work it. Thanks for everyone sharing, Shauna


Member: Herb S.
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Remote Name: 142.22.48.29
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 11:23 AM -0400

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Ryandean, religion is a drug. You are a drug addict. You display all the classic symptoms: denial, self-righteous judgement, a need to control others,the insanity of obsession, etc. Get help. Or go back to listening to Dr.Laura, Pat Buchanan, Gerry Falwell and other sick people and leave the good people of AA alone. Herb (quit drinking 10/07/96, quit smoking 20/11/74)


Member: Kat
Location: Boston
Remote Name: 24.91.174.173
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 12:04 PM -0400

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I just read a story in Guideposts about the first AA meeting where Bill W sought out another alcoholic to talk to. He spent six hours in a room with Dr. Bob and thus was the birth of AA. I think anyone who focuses on what "they" were or weren't is missing the big picture. No one is perfect... but Jesus said "whenever two or more of you are gathered in my name... there is love." The Big Book is a book that teaches how to put God first. But in my humble opinion it is a man-made book that has been divinely inspired. The bible on the other hand is the word of God. Yes, I love AA and the Big Book, but I love God and the bible even more. Put God first in all of your affairs and you will be guided to do His will. I just feel like people get stuck in the bullshit minutia of stuff and just don't see the big picture. I feel like alcoholism is just a gift to wake us up to the truth and then we can be a living testatment of that truth to others to help people better understand how to put God first. AA just happens to say all of that under the precepts of the issue of alcoholism. I am so thankful I'm sober today to finally be clear enough to hear the word of God and to follow His will. As far as smoking goes... the way I look at it is... the more we learn to put God first, the more we understand that our bodies are temples which house the spirit of God within us... the more clear we get about that, the less inclined we are to put anything into our bodies that inhibits health for the sole purpose of keeping our temples clear for the flow of love and the spirit of God. We could make the same argument for cake... or soda or anthing that doesn't keep us 100% healthy and functioning. Put we are imperfect beings and God loves us just the way we are. He just wants us to wake up and understand this divine truth. See the big picture and try not to get caught up in the details. Just for today I will put God first in all of my affairs and I will be quiet enough to hear the gentle guidance. Last night a woman at my AA meeting said this "God's will will never bring us to a place where God's grace won't sustain us." Lead me Lord and help me to have faith that wherever that is... You will sustain me and provide all resources to do Your will. Amen... love, Kat


Member: Mike L
Location: kzoo Mi
Remote Name: 24.176.12.155
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 12:08 PM -0400

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Right on Herb!! For me, There is nothing worse than a person who is so self-righteous and self-centered that their words and opinions become(at least in their mind), the answer, and if everyone else would just listen to them,everything would be OK. While I might have beliefs or disbeliefs in my life today that work for me, I'm not arrogant enough to think that would apply to everybody. If asked, I'm happy to discuss them, but beyond that, they are personal beliefs and nothing more


Member: reneeb
Location: Idaho
Remote Name: 65.212.185.153
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 01:30 PM -0400

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Freedom is something I have not felt in a long time. There are lots of things that keep you from it, jobs, kids, family, freinds etc. I was sober for 15 years never felt free. Got drunk 6 months ago and still did'nt get free. So now I'm back searching for my HP. He lost me somewhere! (just kidding) I hope to find my HP here with you fine folks so I can get off my very long dry drunk! Thanks, sober 6 days who cares!


Member: joe W
Location: Lufkin, TX
Remote Name: 66.76.20.235
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 03:10 PM -0400

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Joe here, I like the story of the foot prints. One set of prints were deep in the sand and later there were two sets of prints. we tend to forget that God has carried us and did for us those things that we could not do for ourselves until we let go and let Him. I am very thankful that I gave up before I took permanent steps to end a temporary problem. We in AA understand and have an open mind and are willing to share simply by listening to others and work our own steps. The newest person is often the most wise.


Member: Jenn A.
Location: Oak Harbor, Wa
Remote Name: 4.15.112.205
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 04:01 PM -0400

Comments

Hello all, Jenn here feeling good today, freedom is a wonderful thing. Freedom from not haveing to apologize to every one in my phone book for calling them in the middle of the night. Freedom from waking up ill not wanting to do anything. Freedom from getting my bills paid because I didn't spend all of my money on alcohol.


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.231.160.24
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 04:39 PM -0400

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HI Jenn A.....Drifting from our singleness of purpose a bit. I need to tell you every time I read your posts, I get a smile on my face. My very first duty station was at the Air Station on Whidbey and the old seaplane base there in Oak Harbor. My very first girl friend was from Mount Vernon. My very first car wreck was on Deception Pass bridge. my very first detail was to help build the golf course and picnic area at Rocky Point. I heard the BBQ pits are still there. I used to drink with the loggers from Sedro Whoolley. There is where I started to earn my seat in AA. You do bring back some memories. Thank you for listening. Bill


Member: Jim B
Location: Seattle
Remote Name: 172.144.191.158
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 06:26 PM -0400

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Hello, Kat. You are so right. God's Holy Word is contained in the Bible and all the directions for life are contained therein. The big book is divinely inspired to the extent that Bill Wilson copied some of it word for word from the New Testament and much of it word for work from Emmet Fox's book on Jesus' Sermon on the Mount. Other than that, the big book is not worth much. Thank you for reminding everyone that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Drug addiction only serves to destroy the temple of the Holy Spirit and to seperate us from God. Whether one is hooked on alcohol, tobacco, pills, cocaine, or any other drug, they are seperated from God and are destroying His Holy Temple. A drug is a drug is a drug. A drug addiction is a drug addiction is a drug addiction. There is no difference between an active alcoholic and a smoker and a heroin addict. Different drugs - same drug addict. Thanks for you insight. For the smokers out there, quit falling for Satan's tricks and get some real sobriety before it's too late. Blessings to everyone.


Member: Kat
Location: Boston
Remote Name: 24.91.174.173
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 09:46 PM -0400

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Jim B - thanks for your feedback, but I in no way was referring to smokers as being the same as alcoholics or heroin addicts. I just said that when people make the choice to put God first in all of their affairs, then they will gradually understand that putting anything unhealthy in their bodies will no longer be an option. I never ate chocolate before I got sober, now I have a chunk every night... but I don't think it makes me just like a heroin addict and eventually, God willing, this desire to have "that little something" will subside. I choose not to smoke, but I know that others have a hard time quitting. God made me quit after my second baby. I was out with girlfriends and bummed a cigarette and the whole restaurant started spinning and I vowed I would never do that again. That was 16 years ago. But everyone is different and the path to enlightenment has many routes. I pray for love and peace on whatever journey brings you there. love, Kat


Member: Bobbi C
Location: Baltimore
Remote Name: 172.172.85.160
Date: 27 Apr 2004
Time: 11:33 PM -0400

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Kat and Jim - Thanks for reminding everyone that the solution to our problems lie wholly with our Heavenly Father and His precious Son Jesus Christ. Kat, you are correct that the big book and Alcoholics Anonymous are merely man-made products. All things made by man will ultimately fail us. Only God and Jesus Christ will save us. Thus, as you so aptly noted Kat, the truth lies in the Holy Word of God as set forth in the New Testament. "You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free." John 8:32. Thank you, Kat. I am so glad that you are free from your addiction to tobacco, especially since you are a mother. I have a niece who came so close to dying at birth because her mother smoked while she was pregnant. My little niece spent almost a month in ICU. But, by the grace of God, she is healthy today. Unfortunately, her mother and father are both still addicted to nicotine. It has taken a terrible toll on both of them. I don't know about comparing alcohol addiction, nicotine addiction, and heroin addiction. It's like trying to compare dying by having your head chopped off, dying by electrocution, and dying by firing squad. They are all terrible. Same with drug addictions. They are all horrible, all cause death and misery, and are all the tool of the evil one. Total freedom from all drug addictions is the only way to go. Peace and blessings to all.


Member: Ed Z.
Location: USA
Remote Name: 65.221.53.212
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 01:44 AM -0400

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Hello, Ed alcoholic. At first I got confused figuring out freedom. Suddenly I rembered the key to longlasting freedom is relieving the bondage of self. There are many wonderful expressions of freedom stated in our discussion, this week. Fortunately for me I must use the 3rd step prayer. In the old 'Big Book" the 3rd step prayer is on page 63, 2nd paragraph 2nd line. There are ways I learned to calm my peaks and valleys of anxiety,or choices in the bad neighborhood betweeen my ears. I needed to physically have written at the back of step three in the 12 and 12 the entire Step Three prayer. The prayer is about 75 words. Not to be a holy man, just survive my freedoms of attitudes toward anything. The bondage of self teaches me the price for freedom is I never want to do it again. Fantastic issues solidly stated about Bill W.'s sobriety being a model with a footprint in the sand. Thanks people, you are my freedom from negativity, stinkey addictions and etc. God Bless All of You. Even if you don't want it


Member: Kelly M
Location: NH
Remote Name: 205.188.117.14
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 09:51 AM -0400

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Hi ((ALL)) Kelly an alcoholic in recovery by the Grace of God and AA. Katt that was such an inspiring post! Alcohol took away my freedom to choose. It was 'large and in charge' and I noticed the worst my drinking got the less faith I had. Without my faith I lost hope and then I LOST ME. As for freedom today I choose to turn my will over to God everyday and he gives me everything I need. He wants me to choose things that are good for me. I have the freedom to choose today now that alcohol isn't making all my choices for me. His will be done not mine! I also love the 3rd step prayer, good reminder! Kelly :) http://www.psalm40.org/3rdprayr.html


Member: Adam H.
Location: New York, NY
Remote Name: 64.232.156.194
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 09:59 AM -0400

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Adam, alcoholic. I think that for me freedom is about being liberatied from being the person I had been before AA. Drunk I was a vomiting pig and sober I was a raging maniac....and I didn't know how to not be either of those things. I never knew self-control, and I was dying from living like that. Although I hated admitting when I came in to AA that I had none and I needed help if I was going tos top being the person I had been all my life, I am really grateful I did because what the steps, the guidance of a sponsor, and the grace of a Higher Power did for me was open up the gates of that alcoholic hell and let me out. Freedom from the bondage of self--what a gift! I don't deserve it, perhaps, but I am grateful to have it. Thanks for letting me share...and AZbill and Rarely, I just want to thank you both for your contributions; I always get a lot from reading what you have to say and I love ya both!


Member: stuart
Location: london UK
Remote Name: 217.35.96.78
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 12:36 PM -0400

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No doubt God has given me freedom from my problem. Never smoked in my life, so can't call myself an addict there - no experience. Tried Cannabis and o'ded on it...damn near sent me mental so didn't have cause, need desire or powerlesnes to try it again. Hated custard when I was a kid...no need to go there since I was 11 years old. Cabbage?...ugh...doesn't do it for me. Alcohol....was sick on numerous occassions. Didn't like the smell or tatse of the stuff, ended up in AA. So what's my problem? Alcohol brought me here to the rooms of AA...not drinking one day at a time, will not keep me here. why? Powerlessness, that's what I got..no Power. The only way I discovered how to live sober was to humble ask that Power to come into my life and on a daily basis help me live. Let's keep it simple. No Power, that's my problem. Power, that's my solution God Bless..smokers or not!!


Member: Holly
Location: Bloomfield Hills, MI
Remote Name: 38.225.248.2
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 12:52 PM -0400

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Kat and Bobbie C...I couldn't agree more. I try to keep in online with my body being a temple of our Lord and why would I want to put toxins in it whatsoever. And yes, that includes foods bad for you (although that one's a little harder). I keep trying to stay focused on my lifestyle, living for the Lord...looking forward to the blessings our Lord will reign upon me if I walk in his Word vs. what I'm "giving up"...God created our bodies to be perfect machines...every man-made machine on the face of the earth somehow is an immitation of how our bodies work. We abuse them, we give in to temptation. My addictions are pretty much everything - alcohol, then recently discovered (I binged with valium), drugs...I can use food, men, shopping etc. etc. Lately, my prayers have been very very simple "help me" over and over and over again...sorry to ramble...I've been in a bad place all day. Thank you and God bless...I'm praying for us all. Love, Holly


Member: tommieL
Location: Okeechobee, FL
Remote Name: 64.118.240.145
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 03:08 PM -0400

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Renneb=I care, Welcome back! keep searching and I know that you will find a HP for yourself, but be very careful when chosing a human for that power as we are not perfect and make many mistakes in our lives.Nonsmokers=I don't profess to be clean, I am though Sober. This is an AA forum, not the other forum. Religon belongs in the church and those who want to witness to others. You are doing a good job on it though. Keep preaching you just might get to the higher realm before me. Everybody= I don't try to put my opionon upon what is right and what is wrong, but some of us here has chose to mislead the topic at hand. That topic was FREEDOM, a great joy in all of our hearts. Freedom to choose, to live, to love and all the other stuff that goes along with working the 12 Steps of this program. It is by my HP that I have a chose, as long as my will is handed over to the HP everyday.


Member: Carrie S.
Location: Los Angeles
Remote Name: 64.170.48.92
Date: 28 Apr 2004
Time: 03:13 PM -0400

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Carrie, alcoholic. Just had to tell AZ Bill that I was born at the Swedish Memorial Hospital in Englewood, CO in 1972!! It was such a kick to read that you worked there, I always love reading your posts. I love AA.


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.231.160.24
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 12:38 AM -0400

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Thanks Carrie, I lived in Aurora at the time. retired in 1995. I would have stayed longer but Columbia bought us out and me and Columbia did not agree on a lot of things so I left. Bill


Member: AZbill
Location: azbill1172@cox.net
Remote Name: 68.231.160.24
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 02:40 AM -0400

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I was in Radiology. Nuclear Medicine. Specialized in the Quad and Paraplegic patients. Published in my field. They used a similar 12 Step program to ours.. Wonderful and courageous patients. Great sense of humor. I remember one lady from Las Cruces New Mexico. She was real upset. Brand new patient. She was hit by a drunk driver. Told me she was alcoholic and had been sober 5 years. I just said, "Bingo, be right back" Pulled my chair in and sat next to her and held her hand and had a meeting while I was imaging her kidneys for 22 min. Don't ever question why you are sober. You never know when someone comes along that needs you help. It don't matter 20 days 20 years, we have been given the power to help. Bill


Member: zak T
Location: Barrow, AK Barrow, AK
Remote Name: 209.165.150.195
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 05:20 AM -0400

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Freedom has several meanings in my life today. This afternoon, it was finally above zero (including wind chill)the sun shone brightly and enough people were out that I could walk across the ice of the lagoon without watching for polar bears. I could truely enjoy the beauty of walking on frozen ocean water without the stress of being prey. It was a rare joy. Concerning alcohol, I drank. I drank to access and was most certainly a sot. I did bad things while drunk and hurt people that I should have cared for. When I drank, a peculiar thing happened to me; I could not stop. My will was worthless as I could not bring into my silly little mind a single warning against another drink. I could not remember that alcohol was bad for me. As such, I had no choice. Once I injest alcohol, my choice is gone. If I managed to recall that I did not want to drink, my mind became fixated with alcohol. If I slept too long and woke up half sober, my mind became fixated on alcohol. I would shake and tremble and imagine the strangest things. Again, I had no choice, I had to drink. The obsession would overcome my ability to recall a decision not to drink. I had no power over alcohol. Nor did I have power over the obsession in my head. A lack of power has always been my dilemma. One day, I cried out to God. I cried,"If there is a god, please help me." Two weeks later, the obsession was removed. I was twelve stepped into AA and after my first meeting, I did not have to drink again. I knew about God and the Bible, but that did not keep me from drinking, I was too corrupt. I had to pray like I meant it and work the twelve steps to prepare me to seek out my creator. The purpose of AA was to give me, a man with a spiritual malady, a way to live without drink so that I could have a chance of finding more. I have true freedom today. I can drink or not drink. I can watch for bears or not watch for bears. True freedom comes through structure and it comes with responsibility. I can do anything I want to do, once. But, I will have to pay the price. The price of turning my back on God will surely lead me to my destruction with a side trip to the bar. The price of taking a drink is my family, health, sanity and turning my back on God. The price of not watching for bears is pain and death. God gave me AA so that AA could give me God. zak


Member: AndyD
Location: Detroit
Remote Name: 68.41.155.151
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 11:38 AM -0400

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Hey all, I do not yet understand the concept of "freedom" as it pertains to my sobriety. I have only been in this for about 9 months and I still struggle from time to time. I have had tastes of it, just looking at a drink and then looking away. However, it is still sometimes a struggle. I don't want to drink and I know that I shouldn't, but sometimes in my mind I struggle to justify it. As I work through my struggle with alcohol, I can see how freedom from the bottle will improve my life infinitely, but some days it just doesn't seem that way. Anyway, I am free today and feeling great, so that will continue to motivate me. Thanks for the topic, Andy


Member: Shun
Location: Nampa, Idaho
Remote Name: 63.228.178.253
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 03:32 PM -0400

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Hi every one. Freedom, What a wonderful topic. when i used to drink I did not know what freedom was, i thought i was traped in a world that was filled with restriction from everything I had done. Now that I'm sober i have choises to make in my life and i no longer feel restricted to make those choises. I feel Free. Thanks Shawn


Member: kenchamberss
Location: Frisco
Remote Name: 172.155.84.128
Date: 29 Apr 2004
Time: 09:56 PM -0400

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FREEDOM, what a great topic. When I was drinking, I was a prisoner to my addiction. I thought about alcohol every day and couldn't wait to get home at nite to have a drink. I see so many of my good friends at AA who are still in this terrible prison and I feel so sorry for them. They can't leave the house in the morning unless they have taken their "meds" - a code name for their pill addiction. Even worse are all that are addicted to nicotine. They panic if they forget to bring their cigarettes for a one hour AA meeting. It is really sad that these fine people don't know the meaning of freedom, even after years and years in AA. AA would do everyone a big favor if they talked more about the necessity of freedom from all drug addictions and, among other things, forbid all smoking and other drug use during meetings. Pray for all who are still suffering from addiction.


Member: Jenn P.
Location: Poconos
Remote Name: 216.37.202.164
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 06:24 AM -0400

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Freedom- How wonderful it is to be free of the slavery of alcoholism. Free of having to drink every day, and free of the obsession too, not having to fight it anymore!! This Program has given me exactly what the Big Book promises, a Power which can solve my problem. Through the use of the many tools, such as meetings, sponsorship, literature, service, the "simple kit of spiritual tools" (the steps), I have been given a freedom that is so delicious! I hope I never lose touch with that Power. I try to maintain daily contact and grow in my relationship with the Power that has given me this Freedom, and so much more. Today I have a full life and the freedom to make all kinds of choices. Before all I could do was drink or think about when I would be able to drink again. I am so glad this was the topic, it brings me right to gratitude. If I can remember to stay grateful, I'll never have to get drunk again. Thanks for letting me share. Have a "great-full" day.


Member: PappyPaw
Location: Sourt Central Mi
Remote Name: 66.231.36.191
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 10:08 AM -0400

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Hello all I am PappyPaw and I am a grateful recovering alcoholic. Randydean struck a stark cord of truth. Sadly it is even worse than he projected on the recovery rate as figures are the big poll issue and everyone wants to look good on the charts. One only needs to look in a dictionary to understand sober. "Put the Plug in the Jug" don't get it for the trip to healt and soberiety. One must cure the "Spiritual Bankruptcy" or one will not achieve 'Soberiety". Dry finds us not dringing with our daily life still choked with our old nasty self-will run riot behavior. I have not had to have a drink for over 30 years but I certinaly have not had 30 years of soberiety. I still get so dry that I am a fire hazard. Thank you for the good share and the spiritual gifts to build my day. PappyPaw


Member: Maverick 1
Location: Purgatory
Remote Name: 24.195.208.10
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 01:51 PM -0400

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I'm grateful that I can speak my mind here despite the idiots who try to control us from doing so... I'm grateful they aren't very bright and can't figure out how to get their own way and silencing the voice of reason crying in the wilderness... I'm eternally grateful that God is the Ruler of All, and we shall all meet or Justice one day... I'm grateful my life here on this planet has evolved into far more than some silly little meetings and not drinking being anything more than a mere absolute and given... I'm grateful for the innummerable gifts from above that I've been given and being able to utilize them... I'm grateful my daughter loves me and I'm most grateful God Himself loves me... and I'm also grateful that I couldn't care less about the pot beyond whatever entertainment value it has... God Bless the poor souls that think it actual sobriety of any sort... I'm grateful I'm not one of "them"///////////


Member: mark m
Location: columbia tn
Remote Name: 152.163.253.70
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 07:42 PM -0400

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MAV, resentments are the #1 offender. it destroys more alcoholics than anything else you to let it go man


Member: HalD
Location: Columbia
Remote Name: 172.136.1.192
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 10:37 PM -0400

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Well put, Maverick 1. You have a very good perspective on the truth at hand. It is seriously disturbing that more cannot see the wisdom of those who have seen the truth of AA. But, then again, go to any AA meeting and see how many people are actually clean and sober - not just refraining from drinking, but actually clean and sober - i.e., no smoking, no pills, no other drugs. If they were actually clean and sober, they would be able to see the truth of which you speak. Only God and Jesus will heal a person and free him or her from satan's grip of addiction. No man-made program, be it AA or acupuncture or the patch, will heal a person from the death grip of addiction. For those who still suffer from addiction - to alcohol, to nicotine, to pills, to anti-depressants, to any drugs - Turn to God and be saved before it's too late. Good nite, all.


Member: Kat
Location: Boston
Remote Name: 24.218.129.24
Date: 30 Apr 2004
Time: 11:06 PM -0400

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Andy D - Keep coming... it will get better, I promise. Just this week I finally felt like I settled into my own skin. I've got 10.5 months under my belt and I feel like I can finally breathe. That to me is freedom. I stayed in a hotel by myself for two whole nights and not once had the urge to crash the mini-bar... That is freedom!!! Breathe in this truth... you are free to choose God or alcohol... you cannot worship both. love, Kat


Member: Wee Anne
Location: Glasgow,Scotland
Remote Name: 62.252.128.10
Date: 01 May 2004
Time: 10:52 AM -0400

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Gratitude....what it is was never clear to me but today I can see gratitude clearly thru sober eyes.My gratitude began on entering AA,I was so grateful to learn I'm not the only one suffering the symptoms of this illness,grateful to find a recovery programme(that works if I work it)and grateful to make amends to many people I had used and abused over a lifetime of alcoholism.Today my gratitude is all about caring and sharing,my health isnt good at the moment but I'm still going to many meetings and if that becomes impossible my friends say we can just have a meeting here at home.....How could I not be full of gratitude....Live long my friends and remember SOBERIETY ROCKS!!!!!!!


Member: Jeff
Location: SD CA
Remote Name: 66.91.237.138
Date: 01 May 2004
Time: 11:04 AM -0400

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Hi, My name is Jeff and I am an alcoholic. The steps and working with the people of AA have shown me new freedoms as I go along the road. As many have expressed - Fredom from alcohol is the greatest single freedom that I enjoy; without that freedom I am right back where I started. As I become more free from defects of character "my bondages of self"(like smoking, or lying, or cheating, or you name it..my 4th step makes it clear to me) I get to experience new levels of freedom and happiness. For me AA works when I am willing to listen and think and act in a different and better ways. I can't do it myself....thanks to you all, and God and AA.


Member: TwoHoot
Location: Brady, Texas
Remote Name: 65.117.219.225
Date: 01 May 2004
Time: 01:08 PM -0400

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My name is John. I am an alcoholic. I don't have to be drunk today - that is the first freedom I found in AA. I thought I was giving up booze but I found freedom from drunkenness. The next freedom I found came with another bitter pill - I am responsible for my own sorry state of affairs. No one to blame was a hard thing for me to swallow. The freedom is that I am not responsible for your sorry state of affairs. I can't blame you - you can't blame me. A big relief. I cannot expect the world to approve of my sick behavior. The freedom is that I don't have to approve of the your sick behavior. I don't have to convince you to forgive me, all I have to do is forgive you. I can do that and it leaves me free to enjoy life. There are many more freedoms - one on the flip side of every one of the steps I refused to do for so many years. Cordially, John H.


Member: Donn O.
Location: Houston, TX
Remote Name: 68.89.46.1
Date: 01 May 2004
Time: 01:16 PM -0400

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I'm Donn, alcoholic. I have 11 months. This new life is wonderful. Even my bad days are good now because I know how to do the next right thing, and no matter what I don't have to drink over it. That freedom is awesome. Even though sometimes life on life's terms is difficult, it's way better than life on my terms. Walking through pain and fear gives me courage. Having a contact with a Higher Power and the fellowship is what I am most grateful for.I can't imagine my life without it. Thanks.


Member: davidh
Location: Nashville T N
Remote Name: 68.52.234.57
Date: 01 May 2004
Time: 04:19 PM -0400

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david, alcoholic, Nashville TN . When i was drinking I was just a slave to booze. I went only where I could use and avoided places or activities that would put any limition my drinking. I avoided people places and things that would limit that too. So basically I did very little except drink and towards the end that was drinking alone in a secluded place. Today I have all sorts of freedom. As I get more into the steps, 'the freedom from the bondage of self' is what I most work for or at least try to work for. Thankk God for this program and the steps