Member: RCG S.
Location:
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 01:14:21

Comments

Well I guess that I'm the first one here, so a topic that has helped me through this thing called recovery is the practice of progress and not perfection. This is something that has helped me ever since I heard it in one of my first meetings, for it ment that all I had to do was try: not win or become perfect. Happy sober Easter everyone


Member: Ruth C.
Location: Sitka, Alaska
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 02:19:45

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All I know is that I have to work the steps of A.A. and my life gets better and better, but that would not happen if I did not live these steps of A.A. in my life one day at time.


Member: Robin S.
Location: TX
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 07:36:03

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Hi, I'm Robin and I AM an alcoholic. You're correct, RCGS, it clearly states in How it Works that the principles we have set down are guides to progress. I, too, have to utilize these principles on a daily basis to continue the progress. If I have learned anything in the 3222 one day at a times that I have been in this program, it is that it's about progress, not perfection. I think step seven says it best when it says Humbly asked Him to remove our "shortcomings." This tells me that I'm not perfect. Even in the 7th step prayer I get reminded: "My creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, GOOD and BAD"...and to remain willing to surrender these shortcomings to Him that I may better do his will, and I still have to ask Him for the strength to do it! Of my own, I have no power. My power comes from Him and the rest is all just good practice!


Member: Jane  M.
Location: Ma.
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 07:56:12

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Hi Group! I think that letting go of being perfect, which is humanly impossible anyway, or said in another way: becoming willing to fail has been a great gift in sobriety. It has enabled me to try new things, now that I no longer have to be the star. I was able to go back to college and let go of exam anxiety and do well. Most of all it has given me a comfortable and exciting place in the human race. And this is just a fraction of the blessings from this program that began by saving my life! Thanks to you all.


Member: Cathy V.
Location: Nova Scotia
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 08:41:08

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hi everyone. Isn't nice to be able to get up after a holiday week-end without a hangover,and have money in your pocket. I have done a step four a long time ago, but it would not hurt me to do another one. It helps deal with some of the shame of my disease. Have a great day.


Member: Gail B
Location: TX
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 09:05:41

Comments

Hi all. Gail, alcoholic. Progress for me has been the ability to realize I am not responsible for every human being's actions on earth. Being the oldest child in a family without a father and an alcoholic mother, I believed and basically was the caretaker for entire family. Thanks to AA, I have learned not only about my own addiction but that I am no longer responsible for everyone else. What a relief! Thanks to all AA members and my higher power.

Gail


Member: Michael H.
Location: Jackson, MI
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 09:57:06

Comments

Hi! I'm Mike and I am an alcoholic. The hardest thing for me is to remember that God is running the show not me. As long as I remember to pray and try to do my best to follow his Will for me things are "O.K." One day at a time.


Member: Richard(RCG)
Location: Ca
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 11:39:06

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Richard here, love that progress but fear that perfection. When I say fear, I just mean that when perfection seems to sneak up on my then I know that I'm starting to become disconnected with my H.P. I'm not perfect and if I ever was then drinking would probably be the only thing left for me to do. See, because perfection is too boring for this mortal, and if I were perfect then I would be cured. Anyway, perfection is better left up to the experts which are our H.P. Without this knowledge I'm just like the preverbal boy in the big book who keeps telling himself everything is OK: went it talks about thinking we have drinking licked. No perfection here, but with my H.P. everything is very much OK. Love to all you fellow drunks.


Member: Dori E.
Location: Henderson, MN
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 11:45:57

Comments

Hi, I'm Dori and I'm an alcoholic. Thanks gail, I needed that reminder. I tend to take on respinsibility that isn't mine. My oldest daughter got suspended for two days and I find myself trying to figure out where I messed up. How I caused her behavior. I've been in the program long enough to know that I am responsible for my own actions but I still try to take on others. Thanks again Gail!


Member: Chris A.
Location: Ft.Myers,Fl.
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 13:21:53

Comments

We claim progress not perfection.THANK GOD!!! this tells me I don't have to get everything right the first time.In the the past if I didn't do something right,it was an excuse to drink."well,screwed that up might as well get drunk".Today , as long as I'm willing to grow,willing to learn from my mistakes,willing to take sugesstions from those around me, everything is going to be all right.And I'm not going to have to drink over it.Today I can learn to meet life on lifes terms, and not worry about the outcome.Thanks for let6ting me share.HAPPY EASTER.


Member: annie w
Location:
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 13:37:25

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Member: Renee D.
Location: St. Louis
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 13:39:48

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Hi everyone. I'm Renee and I'm an alcoholic... Being the perfectionist that I am I find it so difficult to allow myself to make mistakes... But, because of a loving Higher Power and the support of AA, I find it is getting easier and easier to separate the sin (act) from the sinner (me). The shame will take a while to get rid of I think.... Thank God, it's progress and not perfection. :o) HAPPY EASTER!!!!

God Bless, Renee D.


Member: annie w
Location: ME
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 13:43:51

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progress not perfection. That imp[lies that i might need to take an inventory, so i know where i am. then i can compare it to where i was. my experience is that i at least know what doesn't feel good and i'm not talking about new behavior here. when the old stuff pops up then i get to review my progress to date. have a good Easter.


Member: MIKE W
Location: SAUDI ARABIA
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 19:04:25

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HI, MIKE HERE, AND I'M AN ALCOHOLIC.THANHS CHRIS A., I LIKED THE WAY YOU PUT IT. TRYING TO LIVE LIFE ON LIFE'S TERMS, NOT MINE, ISN'T EASY FOR THIS ALCOHOLIC. IT HAS MEANT READING PAGE 449 OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I"M NOT PERFECT, NEVER WILL BE. WHEN I TRY TO DO MY HIGHER POWERS WILL, AND NOT MINE...THINGS TEND TO WORK OUT. UNFORTUNATELY I DO SLIDE BACK INTO OLD WAYS FROM TIME TO TIME, THEN I DO THINGS SELFISHLY, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT RESULT. ONE DAY AT A TIME I'M SOBER, AND TODAY GRATEFUL, IU MAY BE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM MY HOME GROUP AND FAMILY, BUT I'M SOBER AND SANE THANKS TO ALL OF YOU ..!!!!! IF YOUR NEW, GET A BIGBOOK AND READ IT, AND GO TO MEETINGS!!!!! runner_71192@yahoo.com keep comin' back.


Member: Jean M.
Location: Spfld., MA
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 19:21:48

Comments

Hello, Jean here. I'm an alcoholic, struggling to get through each day sober. I, too, did (and do) perform the perfection routine...school, work, everything I did had to be perfect or else I considered it trash. I am the daughter of an alcoholic so I grew up thinking if I were just alittle more perfect, the booze would disappear. Now I am seeking help through God and my church, and I realize He is the only thing stronger than that next drink. May God bless all who suffer on this, the holiest of days. Happy Easter.


Member: Kelly S.
Location: CA
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 19:40:59

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"progress not perfection". I'm right there. I had 13 years of sobriety and drank last summer. The progress is that God gave me the strength to be humble enough to come back. Today I know that I can only do the best that I can do. Thats all God wants of me. I'm trying to let it be all I want of me. My world has really changed in the past year. I am trying to stay focused on my own business and stay out of others. Going to lots of meetings, working with a sponsor, and reading the book helps too. ! I can't forget rule 62. Don't take yourself so damn seriously. Thanks for being out there.


Member: Erv W.
Location: Adams Wi.
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 21:17:49

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Good evening everyone, my name is Erv and I'm an alcoholic.. On the 9th of this month I had 365 days of sobriety.. I had taken a 4th step at the 6 month mark.. Now I need to take another one and check my progress.. Selfeshness and self-centeredness: today I know that this is the root of my problem.. I know that I will never reach perfection, but that's ok.. I know as a alcoholic, I must check my motives everyday.. I hope you all had a clean and sober Easter.. Your friend in sobriety Erv


Member: ScottB
Location: Oshawa, Ontario
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 22:12:28

Comments

I'm an alcoholic and my name is Scott. The topic of progress rather than perfection is referring to spiritual progress. Everything else that we do in our lives progresses because of that. We will never achieve perfection nor should we try to. But others around us who are less fortunate will see our gains as heroic, or supernatural because they have not taken the first step. We are a very small, select, and fortunate(not lucky) group of men and women who are making a difference in our own lives as well as the lives of others around us. We must always remember that sobriety is a gift from God to us if we accept it. We must always strive for progress to serve his will for us. Happy Easter everyone!


Member: Susan V
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 22:37:40

Comments

Hi! My name is Susan and I'm an alcoholic. Today is 80 days of sobriety. I'm so relieved to know today that I don't have to be perfect. I have always been too hard on myself regarding things which weren't necessarily important (how much money I made, what clothes I wore, my weight, etc.). I expended so much energy on trying to be perfect I couldn't see what a mess alcohol was making my life. By the grace of God I'm sober today, not perfect....but definitely making progress.


Member: FAYLA  G
Location: GALENA   KS
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 22:59:40

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HI everybody FAYLA AA MEMBER . SUSAN ,keep up the good work ,i have been sober 18 months now ,IT keeps getting better ,o there are some rough times but i deal with them so much better sober . I am so thank full we dont half to be perfect ,i am sitting here picking this out with one finger ,i cant spell ,good at all ,Hopeing every time i share you all can read it .but i aint going to give up . LOVE AND HUGS FAYLA G


Member: Doris H
Location: Springfield Ore
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 23:01:02

Comments

Hello everyone! My name is Doris and I am an alcoholic. I was here for your meting a couple of weeks ago and I was on my way to Europe. I wanted to attend a meeting or two there but found it impossible to do so so I went to Palm Sunday Mass in Macon France. It was wonderful. The whole trip was. Practice! not perfection. I try and I must be doing O K cause I am still sober.I didn't have diffaculty with temptation in Europe but I did find myself looking at the drinkers with new eyes now that I am sober. It was very sad to me. There were so many people around me that were in their disease. And, they REALLY do drink a great deal over there. It's a constant part of every meal. At least two wines with every meal after breakfast. And of course the proper licquors and apparitifs as well. I just prayed a lot and avoided exposure whenever I could. I am sure I couldn't have done it without my big book, prayers and mental preperation prior to going on this trip. Observing the drinkers around me made me even more aware of the philosophy of" practice not perfection." I couldn't help but realize that 15 months ago I would have been in the thick of it and tasted every thing I saw. I compared what that would have caused with what actually happened. I'd have been a blithering drunk every day and hung over as well. I'd have been an embarresment to my companions and terribly humiliating to my husband. But! most of all I would not have the healing that I have now thanks to God, the program and my sobriaty. I hear people sometimes say that "it" was a lot of fun when they were drinking, but I can't say that. It may have been some kind of relief at times and possibly a refuge, but i can't say "it" was fun. Seeing so many people who think they are having fun but are actually,at this time, trapped in this disease was so very sad to me. In the subways and on the streets the homeless and indigent appeared to be in worse shape to me than they do here in the states. Apparently these people do not have access too as many resources as there are available here in the U.S. and they are frighteningly sad. This is running way too long but I just want to tell a small story. I was in the subway in Paris and there was a very poor and dirty old man leaning against a wall. He was bleary eyed and very drunk. He could hardly stand and I didn't think he could even focus his eyes were so swollen and bloodshot.He had a worn paper cup and was begging,In french. I do not speak french. But! In my good mood that I was in for almost all of the trip I went over and put a 5 frank coin in his cup and said, as I always do when I give money to a stranger, "God Bless You".He became furious. He grabbed my hand and forced the coin back into my palm and pushed me away. I had tried to make sure that I had given him the coin quietly and without any notice even by my friends but I guess I did something to upset him. Anyway, I guess he wasn't so far gone that he couldn't demonstrate his displeasure with me. I guess I'll never know what I did to tick him off but I was more careful after that. There were two thoughts in my mind a lot on this trip. Practice not perfection and the other was, Thy will, not mine. Thank you all and God Bless A A. I am feeling very resproctive now and I feel I have a lot to think about. Seeing so much of the world in 12 days makes you think. Doris


Member: Bob B.
Location: Burbank, CA
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 23:30:49

Comments

Hi, my name is Bob, and I am an alcoholic. Progress vs perfection, what a subject! It's progress that is important. I had my last drink on Sunday afternoon at 2:30 P.M., December 2nd, 1956. I am still making progress and I am still far from perfect! Progress is the name of the game, one day at a time, and the realization that if you really want some thing you become Willing to do Whatever you have to do to accomplish what it is you say you want. Wanting to want to do something is an entirely different ball game than REALLY WANTING to do something. I'm glad I found this site. By the Grace of God and the love of people like you, I have over 41 years without alcohol. A lifetime? Yes, a blessed one. I still have problems, and I always will, but they aren't, nor do they need to ever in IN A BOTTLE! God Bless.


Member: Bruce N.
Location: Houston  Tx
Date: 12 Apr 1998
Time: 23:53:08

Comments

Hi everyone . I'm Bruce and I'm alcoholic. This is my first time to this site and am enjoying the discussions. Today was fantastic for me. I enjoyed an Easter dinner with my wife, daughter, son and future daughter-in-law. We ate great food, played games, and laughed alot. It got me to thinking about what it was like 15 years ago at nay holiday funtion. I'd been drunk or drinking (if I was even there) and devoting my time to making everyone as miserable as I was! It has been pointed out tom me that I sometimes treat God like the Maytag repairman. I want to FIX everything and everybody (cause then I don't have to work on me!) and kind of let God have what ever mess was left over. It's important for me to remember that the only thing "perfect" in my life is God's will for me today. I is a reminder of wher to go for help. It's kinda like the truth.... it just doesn't change. So I keep serving Him as best I can and hope somewhere along the way my experience can help others. God bless you all...


Member: Sanders W.
Location: Graceville, Fl.
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 01:53:13

Comments

I am very definitally a real alcoholic and my name is Sanders. First a word to Kelly S who lost 13 years of sobriety. That just blew my mind Kelly as I have seen lots of people in AA go back out and what I have noticed was the longer they had in and sober, the harder it was to get back. You are back and that is what is important now so you continue doing what you are doing and you will continue getting the results you are getting. God bless you and I am so very pleased you are back. Stay this time as it gets better......... As far as Progress , and not Perfection, I agree with all that has been shared, But one little different thought on it. My sponser told me many many times that the big book says we CLAIM spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection and there is nothing wrong with trying or striving for perfection as long as we realize we will never reach it. This was my sponser's way of not letting me set my aim too low. This approach was good for me. It has truely been a great Easter for me, I have not had a drink today and have not even thought of one till I started reading the topic,s comments and this is really a miricle for me. I had my last drink Sept. 06, 1975 and I am still not perfect but today I don't have to drink over it. Hang in there Kelly. Sanders


Member: Gary S.
Location: San Diego
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 02:35:57

Comments

Not only have I changed my attitude regarding self-perfection, but also my attitude towards others regarding perfection has changed also. Thanks to our program, my former "perfectionist" expectations have been removed. After all, high expectations will only lead to pre-meditated resentments. With almost 18 years of sobriety, I find peace and happiness knowing that only our Higher Power, greater than ourselves, can be truly entitled to the distinction of perfection. What a relief! Work the program to the best of your ability, without half-measures, and it will work for you. I was given a second chance at life and am glad to be able to give it back to others that are still suffering. Keep comin' back! For my story, please email me at kidsvid@flash.net and I will send it to you. Thanks for listening.


Member: Linda P
Location: Fresno, CA, USA
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 03:20:24

Comments

Hi, I am Linda, an acoholic. Good topic. Attempting to be perfect was futile and exhausting, which only left me with feelings of anxiousness, and utter frustration as I failed to meet my own and others expectations of me. It was a relief to know is was okay to make a mistake and move on to just doing the best I can. What a wonderful program we have.


Member: Richard
Location: Ga
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 05:00:43

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Richard here, still an alcoholic. Sorry to have upset a few of you here with my opinion about what I though was a fairly clear portion of the Big Book. Jrr. I'm astounded with regards to your personality reading skills, for if you can classify me as close-minded and/or what ever else you called me from just a few paragraphs then your abilities in the field of "psycho-babble" far outranks most "psycho-experts". Obviously from your tone you didn't read the part of my share where I described my relationship with my sponsor: it's a good one. I also mentioned that I recommend sponsorship though that is of cores only one (my) humble garden variety drunk's opinion: don't want anyone to think that I'm an elitist or anything like that. Right Jrr.? I meet with my sponsor regularly, and he helps anchor me to the program. All I was pointing out was that sponsorship is referred to in the Big Book as an action step for the potential sponsor, not the potential sponcee. Believe me I didn't think it was such a big deal though I did think I'd get a few opinions. But any way, there is no reason for anyone to get personal. Haven't you ever heard the cliché "take what you need and leave the rest?" Personal attacks are the sign of a crumbling defense.

Like I said several times regarding the newcomer: Just go to a lot of meetings and don't drink in-between. Newcomers may want to keep it simple for a while till your ready for action; then again maybe you're ready for action. Hope that I didn't scare any of you off, for AA has saved my butt. However, if what I said confused anyone then wait till you hear about the "God" thing. Seriously, I wasn't coddled when I came into AA. I remember an old-timer telling me, " hope ya caught a resentment maybe it'll keep you coming back." I don't agree with that approach, but hey whatever. See I left that. If it was useful I would have kept it and used it in my program. I don't feel that I said anything too confusing or controversial for any "cyber literate" newcomer.

Hope this wasn't too long-winded or whiney for anyone, and if it was kept you reading didn't it. Ha, ha.

This is Richard just another drunk signing off, but I'm thinking of making this one of my home groups. Ya'll are so friendly here.


Member: Richard
Location: Ga
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 05:19:12

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Sorry I thought this was the coffee pot


Member: A Metallica Fan
Location:
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 06:37:59

Comments

I would just like to share. I have been going to AA meetings over the past year, have been 'working' the program. Had a few weeks of sobriety here and there and AA has helped me to calm my drinking down a lot. There are times when I have wholeheartedly put myself into AA, stayed sober and felt great, but that has been shortlived. I have those days with a drinking partner....I can't get over him drinking in front of me. I just want to drink no matter how hard I want to stay sober....and this hurts. I hope other can relate. I have got through days like these but have succumb to drinking. I don't get the effect I used to get but still keep on drinking. It has become a mental obsession I can't get rid of. I want to stop and then again I don't..I still want to control it. Indecision is my middle name, always been the same. Have got the stage where I have started hiding my drink, coz my husband is so pissed off with me drinking all the time. He can control it. I can't seem to get over those horrible cravings, I try to do things around the house but my head still talks and I listen. I feel alone and in so much turmoil. God I just wish I could change.

Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Doris H.
Location: Springfield Ore
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 10:01:51

Comments

Practice not perfection, I want to respond to this topic again. I am, of course, still practicing for perfection. I have not had a drink since jan 17,1997, I checked myself into a unit and that was the end of my drinking. I hope it was the permenant end. I have attended the meetings for all of that time and finally got a sponsor. "That" was the real beginning of my total commitment. I thought that I was very commited all of that time but once I got a sponcor, and she is great, I truly started feeling more commitment. I finally have someone I feel I can say anything to. Oh! what a relief.I am sure there are many of you who have that sense of relief. I hope that Ms. Metallica fan can someday have that sense. I hope that she can finally commit herself to sobriety enough to give up the drinking but first the "drinking buddy" . Girl, that guy isn't your buddy if he knows you are an alcoholic and he continues to drink around you in your still fragile state. If he is your "buddy" he would be your friend and not drink around you. I think you are having trouble with the first step. Are you working the steps? Do you have a sponsor? DO YOU REALLY WANT TO STOP THE DRINKING? Are you being honost with yourself? The book says we must do whatever it takes. What will it take for you? Many of us have to leave relationships behind. That was very hard for me but I decided I had to in order to stay sober, and THAT is what all of this about. Staying sober.Part of my practice is to do 12th step work and try and help others and I did learn in group that I had to be honost, both with myself and with others. Both about myself and about others. I hope that you can go into a care unit and get some realistic education and total immersion in the program. That, I found, was the only thing that worked for me. I admire the ones that can quit drinking on their own but I couldn't do it. I needed the support I found in the facility. With the tools I recieved in there and now the program and meetings and my sponsor I am staying sober. THAND GOD. I wish you well young lady. Doris H


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 13:26:35

Comments

Hello all, Amy an alcoholic. Doris congrats for not drinking in Europe. You are right that it is a huge part of social situations and you were strong enough to resist, Bravo! As to the sadness of the drunk in Paris I know him, he is me but by the grace of God. As to the topic of progress not perfection I am so grateful that I feel that I have a higher power who loves me just the way I am, especially sober as the opposite blocks my spirituality. I was in Denmark over the weekend Doris and we were invited to a party where all were drinking Carlsburg except me, my husband and the kids. After a while we left the group and went to the harbor, saw the fishermen bring in the catch of the day, feel the presence of the HP in nature for hours. We returned to our camper and all the ones from the party were stumbling to theirs. The next morning (Easter) we were up at sunrise which was beautiful. Sorry I didn`t mean to stray from the topic just wanted to share the beauty of sobriety for this alcoholic! Fayla your spelling is fine, you express yourself in such a lovely way, be true to you...Everyone do not sweat the little things this week, and they are all little things, Amy G.C.


Member: Doris H
Location: Springfield Ore U S A
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 16:02:28

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TO Amy C G in Switzerland, I want to thank you for your comments, and I just have to share this. It is on the topic of Practice Not Perfection. From the Book Tough times never last, Tough People do. People are unreasonable, illogical, and self centered, , ,Love them anyway If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives , , , Do good anyway If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies, , , Succeed anyway Honosty and frankness make you vulnerable, , , Be honost and frank anyway The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow, , , DO GOOD ANYWAY The biggest people with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest people with the smallest ideas , , , Think BIG anyway People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs, , , fight for some underdogs anyway What you spent years building may be destroyed overnight, , , , Build anyway Give the world the best you have and you may get kicked in the teeth for it , , , GIVE THE WORLD THE BEST YOU HAVE ANYWAY . . . . I love this and I try to live it. Practice not perfection. Doris H


Member: Nadine J.
Location: Juneau, AK
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 17:32:23

Comments

Great Topic. Progress Not Perfecton!! I had my last drink on October 17, 1996. Before that date, I had been drinking for over 27 years. There is a lot of insane behaviors that have been practiced over and over during that time. Today, I have a HP that I know shows me unconditional love and truly cares about me. He is always there for me, when I let my HP know what my needs are and I have faith in His Will for me, not mine, I know that if He has the opportunity - He will provide for me.

I have difficulty working with my sponsor on a regular basis. I have practiced being secluded and self-centered for so long that communicating can sometimes cause me anxiety. I pray for the strength and courage and this is getting much better so the praying seems to be helping.

My partner and best-friend for 24 years is in the program with me and we have two teenage sons. Minding my own business is tough sometimes, but I recognize that my day goes much better when I do. So, to recap: Spiritual Progress, Not Spiritual Perfection mean for me: to have faith and trust in my HP. My HP is my key to my Senerity. Running on self will is not trusting in my HP. So turn it over!! Keep comin' back.


Member: Mark M.
Location: Mobile, Al.
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 20:02:12

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Hi, My name is Mark and I'm an alcohoilc. I am greatful today to to have a H.P. who gives me the experiance of progress. I feel that spiritual progress is the most important aspect of my recovery. Taking time in my day to slow everything down; to "listen" to Gods Will for me and taking "self" out of my thoughts in order to carry out his will. I belive my H.P. is working very close with me right now to show me that I can live my life in a less selfish way and I feel blessed for this!! If it's been a while or if you would like to read what I feel is a great daily living guide; In the Big BooK, read pages 86&87. Thanks for letting me share. Mark M.


Member: Joyce B.
Location: CA
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 20:49:12

Comments

Hi, my name is Joyce an dI am a happy, recovering, alcoholic woman. I love the topic. "We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection." I can do that! Because of program of alcoholics anonymous, I a willing to attempt to grow along spiritual lines. I have been given principles to practice that are my guides to spiritual progress. I have a God who wants me to be happy, joyous, and free. I have the big book as my textbook for living, and 12 steps that I can take over and over, as much as I want. Spiritual progress? Absolutely. As for spiritual perfection ... It's like I'm a rock crab trying to understand algebra. I don't get it. Isn't it great! Never in a million years would I have dreamed my life would be this wonderful. It works! It really does!


Member: Libby W.
Location: Glenside PA
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 22:00:42

Comments

Hi! My name is Llibby and I am an alcoholic. I know only too well the perfectionism trap. I to like you Linda in Fresno, tried and exhausted myself, to the point of where I picked up after 6 yrs.of not drinking. There was no God, No mtngs.and No tools left for me to use.When I came crawling back to AA I was introduced to the steps as they are laid out in the Big Book for 2 yrs I tried again to do them perfectly and to no avail I used again. I was a runner when things did'nt go the RIGHT way.I remember trying to get ahold of the 10th step and believing I was (of all things) failing and so I stopped and paid a price.I just read what happens to me if I fail to enlarge my spiritual life.For me enlarging means to try things of the contrary--Do and behave the opposite of what I used to do Ya know, with that old head. I recently had people problems at my home group and instead of running I stopped blaming and fault finding took a look at myself and WOW! It was me.Took that to my God and like someone else said I repeated the 7th step. I am not perfect nor do I want to be today. It is too heavy of a burden. I want what AA has to offer and that is to be free to just Live! It is truly a miracle of healing. Have a Great and wonderful week everyone---- Libby


Member: Leo C.
Location: Illinois
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 22:36:42

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Hi, I'm Leo. Although I do believe progress has helped me my progress is leading me to perfection. I understand that I have a disease, but my perfection will be acheived when I forget about that and alcohol is not a controler of me, whether drinking or trying to not. I do believe that this will happen that is why I try so hard.


Member: Doreen
Location: NJ
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 23:23:20

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Hi All - Doreen, alcoholic. Good topic. Thanks! It was a relief to me to find out that I was doing okay if I was just doing okay. To accept myself, with all of my failings, and to keep on moving forward, a day at a time. When I came into the program, I didn't understand this. I was utterly convinced that God had given me the tools to figure out all of the problems that I had in my life, and if I only tried hard enough, I could correct them. If I only could! I learned that I couldn't and I didn't have to. Early progress - then, and still today, is praying. It's all you can do sometimes. And it works. Today, I try really hard not to work so darned hard at fixing too much. My perfection comes each day in not picking up a drink. I was told that that was the only thing I had to do "perfectly", when I finally surrendered. The rest, is something we work at. Metallica fan - you've got a head full of AA and a belly full of you know what. I too had a drinking buddy when I came in. I drank with her every day, at lunch. It was almost impossible for me to resist the invitation daily. After coming to the program - not of my own choice, I might add, I found the courage, one day, to say no to the lunch invitation. I went to lunch with someone else. It was my first day sober, and when I went to a meeting that night, I knew my life had changed. And it did - for 17 years, a day at a time. That buddy of mine - well, I'm so blessed...she followed me into AA a month later. We're both grateful now. She's celebrating 17 years next month. Progress Metallica...try one day away from the buddy. Hang in there and God bless you.


Member: Linda P
Location: Fresno, CA USA
Date: 13 Apr 1998
Time: 23:27:02

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Hi, Linda an alcoholic.

Thanks Libby for sharing your story of relapse. It was not easy coming back after that last drunk in the summer of 1984. My sponsor grilled me about what I had learned from the experience. One was that I need not wave the length of time spent sober like a banner. After all, I NEVER lived 5 yrs in any 1 day. I was, and am, only sober today. With that lesson well learned, I was able to cast off the guilt and grief of losing years I had not lost. I count the sobriety date from the last drink, but I do not discount the good that AA had brought to me in those 5 yrs I was sober and lived the principles of the program. Secondly, I realized how precious and fragile sobriety is. My guard is up with regards to watching out for the signs of the insanity which preceded that last drunk. For me it was the emotions of rage and fear coupled together. Others it my be different. The B.B. speaks of insanity which precedes drinking, that was my emotional state which preceded my relapse. Thirdly, I needed to re-double spiritual activities. I placed my life in others hands, instead of a Higher Power. That definitely has changed. I do believe God directs people in my path to help me, and that he works through people. Today though, I a relationship with God through prayer and meditation. The 11th Step.

I identify with Ms Metallic Fan. I had a husband at the time that drank. There was no santuary to retreat to when I was stressed out. My enemy was always there to say hi every time I opened the refrigerator door! It courted me until it had me convinced it would be good company again. Watching my husband keep the company of my old friend made me envious. Alcohol did not do for me what it did for my husband, that I can attest to by my last experience that I had. My life today is not that way. That guy has been out of my life for a few years. There were other reasons behind the parting besides him drinking. The change was hard, but I am real happy with a recovering partner today. PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION, a much better way to live.

Take care--one day at a time.


Member: Patricia M.
Location: Canada
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 01:41:19

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Hi, I'm Patricia, an alcoholic & addict. A great topic and some powerful sharing. All my life I had a need to be in control, I don't believe I wanted to be perfect, although control is also what perfection is right? I felt that if I was not in control, I would die, that is how deep that need was...when I came into the program I had to give up control and turn it over. At first the only way I would turn it over was to you people, it took me 3 years of sobriety before I would finally turn it over to a higher power. That was progress for me...my journey changed dramatically at that time. I slowly began to accept myself with all my defects and assets, striving to become a sober, honest human being ...one day at a time. I read the message from Metallica...when you are ready to finally believe that your life is important and you have had enough we are all here with open arms. I ended up in hospitals, an institution and the mental ward, lost everything including my husband to this disease...and yet it wasn't enough of a bottom for me...when my heart told me...it is time then I finally surrendered..for me it had to come deep within my soul. I will think of you and pray...Thank you ALL for my recovery.


Member: FAYLA  G
Location: GALENA  KS
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 02:16:31

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HI , FAYLA here, AMY thank you for your sweet and kind suport. EASTER was very nice, I wanted to go to a meeting, but talked myself out of it, Iwill go wensday night i never miss that one ;As for relaspes i havent yet, so i dont know how it feels i can only gess . I have dreamed i got drunk and when i woke up ,sometimes i would cry .After i realized it was only a dream iwas so relived., so i think i have an idea what its like. I know i will always be an alcoholic ,and one drink can send me right back to the hell i came out of 18 months ago . Thanks for letting me share . May god and AA go with you all wherever you go . LOVE AND HUGS.


Member: Bonnie C
Location:
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 03:29:49

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Hi extended family, Bonnie, alcoholic, ((((ROOM-HUG)))) there is no area of my life yet that hasn't been left with bloody fingernail impressions when it comes to perfectionism and surrender, each area is a spiritual experience, for I use these principles in all my affairs but I surrender in stages until it is shown to me that my way is not going to work no matter how I try to sugar coat or how spiritual i pretend to be. but it is not easy for someone who came into this program without a character defect until you folks showed me pages 60 thru 63 and 449 thru 452. If you think when I'm in the throws of a self-will run riot attack that I want to read those dam pages you are wrong and my sponsor would so sweetly ask me if i had read them when i would rag about how someone had just done me so wrong and then I would read how my troubles were of my own making -- how could this be - ME? - you must have mistakened me for some one else, but the progress part of this said it was ok to do this in stages I didn't even have to be perfect about giving up my perfectionism. I'm convinced that my God has a sense of humor. I know he loves me and every one who ventured here today. ================= to ms. metallica-- from one who was married to the lead guitarist in a heavy metal band, I know what you are saying, but when I really got sick and tired of being sick and tired and the insanity of it all, at a yr sober mine was still handing me budweisers in cup insulated wraps pretending it was my pepsi. I knew if I drank I'd probably die and I got tired of him trying to kill me, when I was 2yrs sober i divorced him, I am willing to go to any lengths for my sobriety, thank God and greyhound hes gone. By the Grace of God I will have 18yrs of sobriety next month and i fit in my own life today. My life is full of adventure and fun today and true love that doesn't try to sabbotage me at every turn, the choice is yours. we'll be here, God Bless all who venture here, bonzoc@webtv.net


Member: Jim G
Location: St. Louis, Mo
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 16:41:12

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Hi, I'm Jim and I am an alcoholic. I am new in the program and stumbled on to this web. I will be staying at it i hope forever. I am an outpatient and trying to stay sober. I have convinced nyself that i can't do it alone. I am going to start going to meetings and thanks to all of you for your inspiration.


Member: Barbara F.
Location: Texas
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 19:35:06

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the topic of progress rather then perfection is a great idea for me. I recently had a real funk, I'm newly sober and going through cancer treatment at the same time. My ability to be perfect was pretty streched for a few day--then I remembered that I was not in on these battles by myself. Selfwill really gets in the way. Now I am living the life of a person that turns her drinking over to God and with my help I am sober today. Keeping my spiritual growth as a priority is my daily goal--it's working. barbara


Member: Larry G
Location: Maine
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 19:56:10

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Hi, Larry, Alcoholic. I was never perfect while drunk, although I thought I was, and I'll never be perfect sober. I have made a lot of progess, even learned to like myself sober (great feeling, isn't it?) I always remember progess not perfection.


Member: Kar
Location: Tacoma
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 20:15:35

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Congrats to Erv for 1 year sober... way to go... keep it up and stay positive! *s* This is my first online meeting... what a great idea... I just keep thinking of how many people the internet can reach! wow... soooooo cool! Glad I found you guys so now I have something more to add to my recovery...*s* Welcome to Jim G! *hugs* Stick with it and keep your head up... a day at a time baby!!!


Member: Spider L.
Location: Tenn.
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 20:30:44

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Hi, My name is Spider.( well my real name is Elisa) I am am alcholic and addict. I'm 19 years old and in college. I have been trying to find meetings around here where I live, but the closest one is 45 min. away. So i've been doing it myself, but its hard. I've been clean now for 2weeks. I guess I will rely on this page until I get out of college. Your advice is really needed


Member: Roni M.
Location: Palm Desert, CA
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 21:59:30

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Hi, I'm Roni and I'm an Alcoholic, I would like to say that this is my first time to this meeting and I'm very happy to be here. To know that there is a meeting liturely at my finger tips is so reassuring. As for the topic for this week, I would have to agree, that progress and perfection has taken a very big burden off my shoulders. I use to alays try to be perfect, thinking I would be accepted or liked if I was. It never accurred to me to be myself. If I try grow, especially spiritually, I am alot happier with myself. I love AA and what I have learned and keep learning. What a relief to know that it is progress and perfection.


Member: Daryl S.
Location: Mi
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 22:04:33

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Hello all, Daryl here, alcoholic. Almost 3 1/2 years ago I poured out my last drink while in a chat discussion on the internet-it was the first step of progress that has continued to be just that ever since. But I must say to Spider that she must find a way to get to a skin meeting (face to face). I poured out my last drink here but going to meetings turned the the first into a multitude of successful days. And Spider if you fail any one day in your quest remember you want progress, you can never find perfection--also you need a sponsor and help from your higher power--god or a group.


Member: Mark S.
Location: Ohio
Date: 14 Apr 1998
Time: 23:58:19

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Hi Spider. I love your nickname. I must agree with Daryl regarding the importance of finding a face-to-face meeting. I'm sober 18 months and I continue to discover how sick I was. I am a lot less sick today in so many ways.

In the infancy of my sobriety, I had serious doubts about my alcoholism, but I agreed to do the 90 in 90 thing. I made nearly all those meetings and I'm grateful that I did. I learned a lot about my disease. But I learned more about how to live without using.

I hope and pray you'll find some rooms and learn what you need to learn. If you're making it academically while using, you're probably very bright and have a lot to offer this troubled world.

The meeting that is 45 min away may be a good place to connect with the fellowship.


Member: FAYLA  G
Location: GALENA   KS 
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 00:40:02

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FAYLA AA. I am so happy that iknow now now that i dont half to do this alone anymore ,That i know the doors of AA are always open to me ,And that we are always here for each other.I never knew a person could feel like i feel ,sometimes i just want to hug a stranger and tell them i love them , And share with them what ive found .Today I LIVE. LOVE FAYLA


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 02:03:09

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Amy here, an alcoholic...keep on livin`fayla. Welcome Jim. On the topic of progress not perfection, I just have to try to remember it is ok that I am not perfect, I know and admit shortcomings but probably not all of them. It is a self esteem problem that many of us share. Have a good day friends, from one who hasn`t a face to face room available within hours...Amy G.C.


Member: Jason H.
Location: Beirut, Lebanon
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 05:19:25

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Hi, my name's Jason, I'm an alcoholic and an addict. I've been clean for 7 years now but I've been drunk for 9... until about 6 weeks ago. I cleaned up w/o going through a program and I always thought I could do the same to stop drinking. But for the last 7 years I've been telling myself that either I needed to drink to stay clean or that I was able to control my drinking-- who have I been kidding!? I stopped by the site today because today feels like one of those days already. I'm in Beirut, Lebanon-- about as far away from a group as I can imagine. But the topic of progress not perfection and your stories has really helped me. I went to an AA meeting once eight years ago as part of a minor in possession conviction. I wish I had stuck to it at the time... but "progress not perfection" right? No use moping about the past, we just have to try to learn from it. Mike W., I feel better knowing you're over there in Saudi staying cool and sober in this heat-- it helps. Spider, go to the meetings even if you have to find someone to drive you there (maybe another recovering drunk?); the day may come when only 45 min to a meeting sounds great!


Member: Judyrose M
Location: Boston Ma
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 08:33:57

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Hi..I'm Judyrose and I'm an alcoholic. I am so glad that the principle was/is progress not perfection. If it had been perfection..they would have fired my sorry ass out of AA years ago....I am 22 yearsw sober...it hasn't been perfect but it has truely been a gift from God and you people Thank you!!!


Member: Terry C
Location: Lawton, Okla.
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 10:02:49

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Hi, I'm Terry and an alcoholic. The sharing has been wonderful. I can't respond to all of you, but I can send a big hug through my prayers. So many places across the world. I too am amazed at the web...just beginning this computer stuff. That's progress, huh? Even today I can spend so much time thinking about how imperfect I am. There's a passage in the Big Book that says when I'm complaining about you or myself, I'm critizing God's handiwork. That meant alot when I was (continue to do) working the 7th step. Who am I to tell God what needs to be removed? I am not the worst or the best. I think that has been one of the biggest gifts in sobriety...to be on an even keel with everyone else. When I wake and ask God to lead my day, I'm turning my life over "one day at a time" again.I will make mistakes...Notice in the 10th step, "WHEN we were wrong", that tells me I'm going to be wrong on occasion, and only through working an honest program am I able to learn from it. I am free from the bondage of alcohol, now God has room tohelp with the bondage of Self. It took 25 years to become a true alcoholic, it will take some time for me to become the person God wants me to be. I wasn't struck sober, anymore than I was struck drunk. It's a progressive disease and a progressive recovery. Isn't it fun? Not to know what's in store today is such as adventure. Before I stopped drinking I knew it was going to be the same ol' thing, same song, second verse, bottle in hand. I have days that don't feel too comfortable, but I don't have to drink over them. I love the one liners that go through my head...you all know the ones, First things First, Live and Let Live, This too shall Pass...the program has given me the inner dialogue to get through those days, and come out the other side with a sense of peace. As long as I don't pick up!!! Thanks for all your words of hope, prayers, and just being there. God Bless you all as WE Trudge the Road of Happy Destiny.


Member: Steve P
Location: Joliet,Il.
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 10:26:41

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Hi.I'm Steve and I'm an alcoholic.Alot of my desires toward perfectionism has a lot to do with the fact that when I was growing up whatever I did was never good enough.Can't blame the folks the were just doing the best they knew how.As I've found out this parent thing isn't easy.Motivating kids can be counter productive if I'm not carefull.Now I've got the tools of the program to help me help them.If I ask god for help then maybe more of my effect on those around me and my environment will be what he wants.What a beautiful way to live.Strive to walk in beauty,not perfection.I also think that the perfection we can perceive in our minds is not possible in this reality; so to expect it is part of the insanity. Yet to strive for it is to do gods work.Now, like in meetings, I don't know where in going with this so I'll be quiet and sit back to see which way the dominoes fall.


Member: Karin W.
Location: N.J.
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 10:59:35

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Hi everyone, I'm an alcoholic and my problem is Karin.

Progress not perfection. All I can say is thank you. For the last couple of days I've been edgy. In my mind I've been criticizing people I don't even know and judging them. After reading the big book, 24 hour book and this meeting, I feel recentered. I'll try again. And that's progress. The old judge and criticize is old stuff learned from my mom and dad and rolls over into me very easily. I do not like it when I succumb to that. So yes, I did read pg. 449. Acceptance in God's children and take my precious energy to look at me, not you. Stay well everybody and thank you for this meeting. It is very warming to know that all corners of the earth are tied together. karin


Member: Linda J.
Location: San Diego
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 12:18:27

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Linda, alcoholic.

First, to Spider L.: I too hope you'll go to the face-to-face meeting even if it is 45 minutes away. It will be a way for you to meet other alcoholics, probably some who live near you that are willing to talk to you about A.A. stuff outside of the meeting. You'll need the support group - believe me! And a sponsor will help you along the 12 steps. Check out the meeting for people you respect and admire as a potential sponsor and then ask one of them. Also, ask if your college campus has an on-campus AA meeting; some do. I applaud you for getting sober! I just had my first birthday and it's a great feeling! Good luck to you.

Spiritual progress is a good thing for me to keep in mind right now (and always) as I'm working on my 4th step. Having to look at my character defects could be pretty discouraging, but it's easy when I remind myself that I don't have to be perfect, I just need to progress and trust that my higher power is helping me along the way. Thanks for a great topic and good shares.

Linda J.


Member: Doris H
Location: Springfield Ore.
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 12:19:19

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Jason, in Labanon. I want you to know that I am thinking of you. I will be going to my homegroup this evening and I hope that you are there as well in spirit. I hope that you can get what you need right here in the internet. I love this format. Yes it is different than an actual people meeting but it sure beats nothing. Befor I sobered up and discovered A A I was so very alone. With the program I am never alone and neither are you. I especially feel I want to know and see Amy in Switzerland. And I would love to meet and know you. I just came back from Europe and was there for 11 days and didn't find a meeting but I did the next best thing. I went to church. I went to Palm Sunday mass in Macon France. I didn't speak their language and they didn't speak mine but I felt the closeness of God and that was what I was there for. And i was in that mass with a Nazerene fundamentalist friend wo felt very out of place until she realized it doesn't matter where you are. God is there. Anyway Jason I hope you continue to be successful and I wish you well. You are not alone, we in A A are all with you. I have 15 months and I love it. It is not easy all of the time but I AM sober. So are you. I'm glad. LOVE and best wished Jason, Doris in Oregon, U S A.


Member: Eddie G
Location: Waianae  Hawaii
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 21:06:27

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Hi my name is eddie and I'am a alcoholic.

For me, this has to be a constant effort on my part. I have been in the program a few days, and as a result of not drinking and working the program as best I can good things start to happen. When the good happens, I slowly start to forget, not that am alcohol but who is really in charge. I forget that I am here only by the grace of God, that my best effords was in fact killing me. so when I get on my power trip, and start thinking that I have all the answer, I just have to pause, and remember who is really in charge The book says, "there is one who has all power, that one is God, may you find him know"

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Member: Fred S
Location: Leslie MI
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 21:54:21

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hello i`m fred an alcoholic.I`m greatful to be sober today. Just for to day. One day at a time. Thanks to you guys and gails and this fellowship you gave me a choice. I did`nt have a choice before. I thougght i could not live without the reality escape of the bozze.I know now that i do`nt have to be perfect in this world. Do`nt need to empress people, It`s ok to make mistakes. As long as i learn from them. And i give them over to the care of god. and ask for his will everymorning not mine.as long as theres progress and not perfection. I hope i can die sober only one day at a time. thanks Fred S


Member: Sue G
Location: Portland, OR
Date: 15 Apr 1998
Time: 22:47:01

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My name is Sue and I am an alcoholic.

Before I became sober I was perfect and everyone else was flawed. Only I could do the right thing. Only I knew the right thing to say. Everyone else had the problem, not me. If we don't get along it is your problem not mine. Because, hey! I'm perfect. Right......Today I am sober almost 6 months and I am learning that I am far from perfect. That I have a lot a of growing to do personally, emotionally and spiritually. My HP is so patient and tolerant. I make my mistakes, I step back and ask for his help, and after a lot of thought and deliberation, I take ownership. I never would've done that while I was drinking.

So I have learned that the world does not revolve around me. And I have also learned that people are very forgiving when you take responsibility for your actions, thoughts and deeds.

Enjoy a Sober Tomorrow!!!


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 01:47:51

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Good Morning all, it is 7:30 am in Switzerland so you guys in the states are having sweet dreams, Amy here the alcoholic. Doris thank you for your kind words. You all are right when you say this format is different than a face to face because we cannot use that great God given sense of sight, but I will tell you what I am like and you will know more of me than if you saw me because I would not talk so much in a meeting, I loved the oldtimer discussion and just listened at my home group the happy hour club in Greensboro, NC (I am a southerner). I am just an old drunk and not perfect but I will say I do not look like Heidi or the St. Pauli girl or the swiss miss girl, haha. But in my active drinking days I went to UNC, later worked 4 years in DC (not like Monica L.). Later I moved back south and there married then after 2 years divorced my alcoholic husband, later met this swiss man I married when sober, he also does not drink, unfortunately he has the terminal disease of Type I diabetes, insulin dependent. I have to live with a lot of fear right now. I am afraid of the future because he has been a rock in my sobriety to hold onto as well as AA of course. But progress not perfection means that things will never be all milk and honey here on our earth. Terry you spoke some powerful words and I appreciated them today. Fred S. God bless you. Love and thanks for letting me share, Amy G.C.


Member: Pete L.
Location: On. Canada
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 05:13:34

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Pete here, definetly alcohlic . Hi , I've been around for about 7 months and my worst times have been when I forget that I need to attend meetings. I missed one , then it's two and before I know it I haven't been in two weeks .The thinking is all beat up and once again after a couple months I drank again . . I have in the last two weeks been very serious in my sobriety . I have found I can have fun being sober and have had to change all of the people I hung around with due to the drugs and stuff they still use .I can say some of the best feelings I have had is a couple of friends and one relative calling me to ask about " This A.A. thing". and then going to a meeting with them . I know I am gratefull to the person who brought me in to my first meeting ( Straight from Physc ward ) Showed me the coffee and said nothing but, " Don't drink and keep coming back " I want to be clean and sober . Thanks and sorry for babbling . Pete L.


Member: Evelyn B.
Location: Connecticut
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 06:28:37

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Good morning everyone and here's to another sober day. Spritual progress not perfection - I think I've made some gains in that area. One of the biggest ones I have to work on constantly is to remind myself to not judge myself - that's the job of my creator....but change doesn't happen overnight. My sponsor once said to me while I was working on my 4th step - 'if you treated me the way you treat yourself I wouldn't be your friend' - meaning: I'm too hard on myself. I can relate to the person who spoke of feeling as though he/she needed to be perfect in as a young child thinking that the very act of seeking that perfection would stop the insanity of our alcoholic homes. That insanity carried over into adulthood with me - thinking if I could just go to work, pay my bills, stay married, whatever - it didn't matter that I was drinking constantly. That thought of being perfect or appearing perfect on the outside was a game I played with myself to cover up all the shame I had about my imperfect inside - my inner life, my spirit, was devastated by alcohol and it became harder and harder to maintain the facade of being perfect - inside my heart was lonely, broken, and it wasn't until I surrendered to alcohol that I realized I could have a new master - a loving and caring God as I understood him to help me out of the world of self-pity my drinking took me to. Peace all. Love you.


Member: Patti K
Location: NY
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 07:31:13

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Hello room, What a topic," Progress not Perfection", What happens to me so many times is I reverse this, "Perfection not Progress" I'm Patti and I'm an alcoholic. I go to meetings to focus on the program and my attitudes. I need you to tell me when my disease is acting out in my attitude. I need alot of help. So many days even with time I still want things perfect. When I come to this room, or go physically, to meetings I get exactly what I need. I thank god everynight when my head hits my pillow, and than my day starts off very well. By mid day I have totally at times taken my will back. I then thank god that I'm sober today and he gave me the awareness to see this. Thy will be done not my will be done. When I get in my own way nothing is perfect and there is no progress it's just chaos. I must continue to be vigilant of my disease as I don't drink anymore, but I think tooooo much. I need to "let it go" and relax. I do thank all you who have shared experience, strength and hope. I will leave this room today knowing that my progress has started, and that there is no perfection. Lets see how far into my day I can continue to take out what I learned here this morning. God bless you. I'll Keep coming back. Gratitude


Member: Jason H.
Location: Beirut, Lebanon
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 07:42:27

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Hi, it's Jason-- the alcoholic in Lebanon again. I know this makes two postings from me in as many days, but we have a four day holiday ahead of us here and I need to affirm that I will be living it soberly one day at a time, aiming for Progress... not perfection. Doris, thanks for the cyber-hug and your prayers; and for "taking" me to your home group... I consider the Pacific NW to be my true home, although I have not been back for several years-- so it seems appropriate somehow.

The prospect of this holiday weekend is daunting. There are two nights that I will have to be out in a social environment where drinking is always heavy and expected. People here just aren't comfortable with the idea of someone like me quitting drinking altogether. This poor country is full of alcoholics. Since I've been here I've managed to become an accomplished drunk driver, even waking up in my car, hungover, in the parking lot of my apartment building, alongside the road on the way home, and worse... I know that drinking has been destroying me and WILL, if I continue. When I go out tonight, I'm not going to drink.


Member: Barbara S.
Location: NJ
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 11:51:48

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My name is Barbara, and I'm an alcoholic.

Thanks to all for being here. I am so glad I don't have to be perfect any more (not that I ever was, but I was always expecting it of myself). It's nice to simply be human, fallable, and capable of learning from my mistakes. Now, I can be a friend among friends, and a worker among workers, which is what I always wanted to be, anyway.

Jason, someone told me when I was new that if I had to go to social events where there would be drinking, I could always:

1. Go late and leave early. 2. Bring some AA literature in my pocket to read if I needed the inspiration. 3. Bring some phone numbers of AA people to call if I needed to. 4. Skip it completely and not go. There was nothing more important than staying sober.

I have used all of these, and they've worked. (At first, I almost always used #4. I was worried I couldn't hold my sobriety in such an atmosphere.)

Good luck - we'll be thinking of you.


Member: DJH
Location: NW
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 12:55:15

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Jason, I have started a support/prayer chain for you. I got it started by telling some people at a meeting about you and asked that they tell someone else and so on and on and on. YOU are in the toughts and prayers of a lot of people in many corners of this very tiny planet and I hope that you can feel the power of their love and support. YOU CAN survive this time of difficulty and temptation. YOU are NOT alone. GOD is in your life and at your beckon call. Can you even imagine the power of GOD and all of these people who are by now on your side? This is like an instant chain letterof love and feelings. If I didn't have the support of so many I know I couldn't have done it. This program has been tested by the best (and the worst) and guess what??? IT WORKS! It will work for you too if you keep it foremost in your mind. Something that worked for me was "Change the subject". No matter what it took, wen I was tempted to even have the thoughts of drinking, I would change the subject. Take the dog for a walk. Go ride my horses. Call someone and ask them some question, any question and talk about something outside myself. Another thing. When I quit drinking 48 ounces of alcoholic beverages a day (minimum) I realized I was giving up, physiologically, huge amounts of fluid, a lot of flavor, oral gratification, to say nothing of all that pleasure and relief. So! . . . I had to substitute. I ,temporarily, got hooked on cinnamon candies. I drank huge amounts of fruit juices and good coffee. I was advised that I was trading one addiction for another but I just looked at it this way, I was temporarily using these things to halp me in this so difficult transisional period. IT HELPED.We alkies are creatures of extremes and sometimes we have to take extreme measures with ourselves. But, we have to find them. Use your imagination and start fixing yourself. You, with the help of your higher power, are the ony one who can do it. But! you are never alone. DJH


Member: Laura C.
Location: Oregon
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 17:13:27

Comments

Hi! My name is Laura and I am an alcoholic.P rogress, not perfection, hu? Well I am grateful for that reminder in the program. I belived when I was young that I was not ok as I was, no matter how hard I tried. I drank to hide from myself, even though I had no idea who I was, I just "knew" I wasn't ok.

Finding AA and working my program to the best of my ability, with the reminders that I don't have to be perfect, has given me the permission to find out who I am deep inside and love who I am, scars and all!!


Member: Anna T.
Location: California, U.S.A.
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 18:44:55

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Hi My name is Anna and I am an alcoholic. Kelly, I am glad you are back and hope you are going to face to face meetings too. I think the pride kills those who say they can't go to a meeting and stand up as a newcomer. I have a friend who went out after a few years and says it's easier to stay sober than to get sober. Her boyfriend didn't make it back. As far as progress not perfection is concerned, I sometimes feel like I have to be the perfect mom or the perfect student,and I still need to work on not beating myself up when I fall short of my expectations. Also, I sometimes feel as though I should be further along, more financially and emootion ally secure than I am, but I realize I wouldn't even be where I am if I were still drinking. I couldn't take care of my kid or study if I were out there. I give credit to this program and God because my daughter never saw me drink,since I had almost 3 years when she was born and now have 8. I know I could lose it if I get too complacent and stop going to meetings. I almost lost it a couple of years ago, a month after my sister passed away but I didn't. I need to get to class now. Welcome to the newcomers and god bless.


Member: Mark B.
Location: Eielson AFD, Alaska
Date: 16 Apr 1998
Time: 19:26:17

Comments

Hi all, Mark, Dope fiend, alcoholic. I know for me, anything, regardless of what my head may say to me, is progress. I was an extremely violent, blackout drinker and I hurt a number of people practising my disease. In the years I've been clean and sober, I've never found had to resort to the old methods and ways of acting of the fact I've learned a new way of living in the rooms and fellowship of the program. After almost 13 years of doing this thing called sobriety, I've also discovered that for me, any way I can put together 24 hours without a drink or a drug, is a successful day for me, regardless of what my head tells me. I think this cyber thing is great, and would love to hear from any sober drunks over in Europe. I got sober in Germany and spent over 7 years in Germany and the Netherlands. Something about European AA just grabs me in my heart. Also, this Alaska thing now isn't too bad either! Hugs and love to all, Mark


Member: Amy G.C.
Location: Switzerland
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 02:20:43

Comments

Hey Mark a response from Europe, St, Gallen Switzerland which is in the german speaking part. I also think this cyber net is great. You sound so self secure and also, the one who was able to just avoid social gatherings where there would be alcohol. I mean I had to change countries! Many a drunk choose the geographical change along with AA, then again many said any drastic change at the beginning of the program is an escape. Jason I too am praying for you. I was recently at a dinner party and when asked what I was drinking I said mineral water she said why who is driving I said my husband but I would only fall asleep. Forgive me Lord it was a lie. I was too weak a person not to say like my husband who was never an alkie "I just don`t drink" and he could care less what others think. So Jason I am saying I understand but hang in there, go to an internet cafe and come on line! Love to all, thanks for letting me share a few imperfections today. Amy G.C. an alcoholic


Member: Jason
Location: Beirut, Lebanon
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 04:39:18

Comments

Barabara, Doris, Amy, and all the rest of you-- Thank you for your support and prayers. Barabara, I took your advice last night-- I read up on the BB (which I have just started to read) and thought a lot about the idea of progress, not perfection. Last night, progress meant acknowledging my frailty and weakness and affirming what you said "NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MY SOBRIETY". Perfection would have been to go out, stay "in control" of myself etc etc etc... the same old story. I choose progress and what has instantly become "OPTION 4" to me.

Doris, I can't express how much your support and those whom you have enlisted means to me. I know in my heart that I am not alone in this struggle-- that in fact the single pair of tracks in the sand are God's, carrying me... but the roaring of the Beast in the Bottle makes it easy to forget this. Thanks for your poignant reminder. I'm trying to fill my life with other activities and habits. I go the gym after work every night-- the physical activity has been of great help. I've fostered an obsession with spicy foods and am trying to grow habanero peppers on my balcony. At a dinner party my boss threw a few weeks ago I drank all the tonic water he had-- something about the bitter taste seemsed to help. A few days ago I bought all the cranberry juice the supermarket had in stock... I feel that this is part of the spirit of compromise inherent in striving for progress rather than perfection. It has been a humbling experience for me to finally acknowledge that I cannot "overcome" my addiction to alcohol, with all of the implications the admission carries... that my own strength and will are not enough. Well, in the past few days since I browsed around the web looking for AA resources, feeling pretty desperate, and found this group of people who indeed would not normally meet. The thoughts and stories and encouragement that you have shared have been a tremendous source of strength and motivation to me; thank you for being there.


Member: CLIFF M     
Location: SEA.     WA
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 07:44:51

Comments

HI ALL IM CLIFF AND IM A ALCOHOLIC

FIRST TIME TO THIS MEETING AND L0VING IT. IT'S GREAT TO HEAR FROM ALL FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD. AS TO YOU NEWCOMMERS, I WAS VERY FORTUNUT(?) TO HAVE MEETINGS CLOSE AND A HALL THAT I COULD GO TO SIT IN. BUT I ALSO DID A LOT OF TRAVELING TO MEETINGS ALL OVER THE AREA I LIVE IN AND CONTINUE TO DO SO. THERES NOTHING LIKE FACE TO FACE WITH ANOTHER A.A. WHEN I COULDN'T TRAVEL THE PHONE (AND NOW THE NET.) MAKE A EXCELENT SUBSTATUTE. THE TOPIC OF PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION IS RIGHT ON. I FIND MYSELF CONTINUALLY STRIVING FOR THAT PROGRESS AND LOOKING AT THE PERFECTION BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE THAT COULD BE PERFECT. WITH GOD AS MY GUIDE AND FATHER IM CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT MYSELF AND WONDERING WHERE I CAN IMPROVE BECAUSE IM ALWAYS FINDING AREAS THAT IM AT FALT. GOD ALWAYS PUTS THESE TASKS IN MY PATHWAY TO OVERCOME AND IF I LOOK TO HIM I ALWAYS HAVE THE AMSWER. IM FINDING THAT AS I BECOME BETTER AT LISTENING TO H.P. MY LEVEL OF SERENITY GOES UP AND THE JOY BECOMES GREATER. THIS LEADS ME TO CONTINUE IN MY SEARCH FOR PROGRESS ON MY WAY TO PERFECTION. IM NOT SAYING IM PLANING ON REACHING PERFECTION FAR FROM IT. FOR I FIND MANY WAYS EACH DAY TO GROW. SURRENDER AND ACCEPTANCE THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO MY H.P. AND I FIND MYSELF LACKING THERE OFTEN. TO THOSE OF YOU OUT THERE KEEP ON TRUDGING BECAUSE ONCE YOU STOP YOU'R DEAD. AT LEAST THAT HOW I FEEL IF I DO. I HAVE A GOOD LIFE TODAY AND IM VERY HAPPY BUT I CAN RUIN THAT REAL FAST. MY NEXT DRUNK IS ONLY 1 DRINK AWAY..... FORTUNITLY IT'S BEEN MANY 24HRS SINCE THE LAST DRINK AND HOPFULLY MANY MORE. HERES TO ALL OF YOU FELLOWS IN THIS GLORIOUS FELLOWSHIP CLIFF M, (THE PICKLE) AAFROGGER@PRODIGY.NET


Member: Martina G
Location: New England
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 07:48:41

Comments

Jason --- If you are in a humble state of mind, realizing that you cannot overcome your addition, that YOUR strength and will are not enough, then you are in a good place.

I can relate to the tonic water - cranberry juice thing. It helps me too, even 12 years of ODDATafter my last drink of alcohol. Don't know why, but that's not important. It it works, it works. My husband grows hot peppers and that helps too!!

Stay close and keep coming back.


Member: John N
Location: TN
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 12:12:15

Comments

Hi to all. I'm John and I'm an alcoholic, but its only been 5 days now that I've been sober. Its comforting to hear from you longtimers. I'm going to my first AA meeting tonight and looking forward to a little progress, trying to get away from that perfection business that's bugged me far too many years. I've read the Big Book this week for first time and look forward to beginning to live my life one day at a time. I look forward to coming back to this site for everyone's encouraging words.


Member: Richard
Location: West Coast
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 12:13:04

Comments

Richard here alcoholic, I do not think my H.P. expects me to be anywhere near perfection in this lifetime. In fact I believe that the more I try to resemble perfection, the more He has to show me my imperfections. This usually initials failing at whatever I'm trying to perfect. Whether it be loosing weight, quitting coffee, being spiritual, and/or anything else it's my job to be human for now. Like Sanders said I trying to set my sights high enough but without overshooting my target.

We alcis' always like taking other people's stuff and running with it. Ha, ha, ha.

I'm not perfect but I now someone who was and that's all it takes for me.

Thanx ya'll.


Member: Kate M
Location: Chicago
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 12:14:29

Comments

Kate here-alcoholic

Good topic, Progress not perfection. Claiming spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection is such a relief.

The comments have been great-I liked how one woman said if she treated her sponsor like the way she treated herself, she wouldn't have the sponsor as a friend. I too, can be my own worst enemy. I'll give everyone else a break, cept for myself.

Today, I remembered to get on my knees and pray for God's guidance, it felt good to remember to do that today, and to know that I am making progress.

This program is truly a gift. Sometimes I am surprised at the progress I've made, w/out being consciencly aware of it, until afterwards. Some situations that used to baffle me in the past, are much easier and are challenging rather than terrifying today . Afterwards, reflecting ont my new found courage and improved self esteem, I am convinced this program works.

I have a new found freedom today that wasn't even imaginable when I was "out there."

Thanks for all the great comments,

Kate


Member: Robin
Location: TX
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 14:40:42

Comments

Robin, alcoholic...to John N from TN...welcome and good luck to you as you trudge the road to happy destiny! One step at a time...progress!


Member: Ryan M.
Location: Iselin,  NJ
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:10:27

Comments

How about the Big Book of AA, it is the biggest secret in Alcoholics Anonymous.


Member: Ryan M.
Location: Iselin, NJ
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:16:36

Comments

If anyone out there wants an e-mail pal in AA please e-mail me. My e-mail address is Ryan @datek.com. I would like to expand my network globally.


Member: Ryan M.
Location: Iselin, NJ
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:17:27

Comments

If anyone out there wants an e-mail pal in AA please e-mail me. My e-mail address is Ryan @datek.com. I would like to expand my network globally.


Member: Howie B.
Location: Staten Island, New Yawk
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:25:42

Comments

I Love A.A.. I Love God.. I Love You..


Member: Ryan M
Location:
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:34:33

Comments

Hey Howie! Where are you?


Member: Ryan M
Location:
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 15:35:24

Comments

Hey Howie! Where are you?


Member: GORDON
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 18:04:23

Comments

MY NAME IS GORDON


Member: becky w
Location: mo
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 20:38:01

Comments

Above.....please try to stick to the topic. I know you are alcoholic. So am I. This forum is for all of us to discuss a certain topic each week....not to pick up pen-pals!

If you are truly interested in the topic.....feel free to comment and sign.

Progress, not perfection. GREAT TOPIC. I've had my own share of difficulty with this subject. I am a perfectionist, in case you can't tell by my outburst above. And I am having difficulty with progress versus perfection. I want to get it right the first time, and haven't been able to. When I went into treatment I was in a room with someone on their third time through. I said to her, "Boy, I hope once is enough for me." I couldn't believe I would drink again after being in "treatment" once. Well, it happened, and I am humbled by it. I keep coming around the tables and my periods sober are increasing. However, I still have those 2 - 3 hour ( not days this time) stints where I say the hell with it, I can handle it just for today, and have a few drinks. (and feel like hell afterwards). So....progress not perfection is a great topic for me. I know perfection isn't out there for me. I've accepted step 1, as well as step 2, now. It is truly the pain that drives me to calling my sponsor and to extra meetings that I heard about in my "newcomers meetings" and didn't understand.

Thanks you all for being there, and keep comin' back. w


Member: Pat M.
Location: Greater Toronto Area
Date: 17 Apr 1998
Time: 23:04:44

Comments

Hi I'm Pat and I'm an alcoholic. Progress and not Perfection can allow me to make mistakes and forgive those around me for making them too. I read recently of how when you become angry at a behavior trait in someone else, that trait is usually in you somewhere also. I've never known that to be untrue when I get irritated with something someone has done. It always parallels something I've in the pst to someone else. If I forgive myself for what I did to hurt someone else, I'lll find th clue to forgiving the person who hurt me. Progress, not perfection. Thanks for having the web site. This is my first visit.


Member: Brian D
Location: Rochester,N.Y
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 00:07:15

Comments

Hi Im Brian and Im an alcoholic Don,t Drink and Go to a meeting it has to be that simple for me at times.When I do that I have a chance for some progress.God Bless


Member: FAYLA G
Location: GALENA KS
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 00:25:55

Comments

fayla , here one thing god has blessed me with .is how to love and respect others ,One of the cute little things i picked up was ,for every minute i am angry i lose 60 seconds of happyness ,I try to keep that in mind, may you all take God and AA EVERY WHERE YOU GO , LOVE FAYLA G


Member: Bert D.
Location: Concrete Wa.
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 03:46:31

Comments

Hi folks! In my 6 yrs. of sobriety, the biggest step and most humbling is not just addmitting that Im an alcohlic but accepting that Im an alcoholic. In that I have found hope and a solution to my delema and a new beginning, and not alone any more. Thanks for you and H.P. and Bill W.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:01:00

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:01:12

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:01:25

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:01:37

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:01:51

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:02:04

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:02:17

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:02:31

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:02:43

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: GORDON    W.
Location: ENGLAND
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 06:04:15

Comments

My name is Gordon. I am an alcholic. Being new to the internet, it took me some time to find this programme. It's been an inspiration reading your shares. I am in my 6th month of sobriety, and after 20 years, this is the longest period without a drink. Thanks to AA.


Member: FAYLA   G
Location: GALENA  KS
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 11:15:59

Comments

FAYLA , WE LOVE YOU TOO ,HOWIE, KEEP COMMING BACK ,THIS IS A WONDERFULL PLACE TO BE .THE DRUNKS ON HERE ARE GREAT . LOVE YOU ALL , TOMMY S HOME HE CALLED ME THIS MORNING, WE DONT KNOW ,THE TEST RESULTS YET ,BUT HE SAID HES OK WITH IT , TOMMY SENDS HIS LOVE AND THANKS . LOVE AND HUGA FAYLA


Member: Ian
Location: Manchester, England
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 14:20:55

Comments

Hi I'm Ian and an alcoholic. Like Gordon i'm new online but who knows this could be another new beginning in my life !


Member: Ian
Location: Manchester, England
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 18:12:40

Comments

With the recent hysteria over Titanic, I found a parallel with my alcoholism. Whilst everybody else is taking heed of the Captain to abandon ship, I would be stood next to him asking why, when, from where, what if etc.? Why not just jump and ask questions later? Instead of listening to advice from people who understand and are working the programme I found myself trying to do it on my own, answer my own questions, put forward my own theories to beat this disease. In the end, every time I got back in the ring I was knocked out quicker and harder. It's taken a while but thanks to re-hab and A.A. I now have something to really fight for. At last I am ONLINE!


Member: jim s
Location: phila
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 19:24:39

Comments

i like to learn how to deal with my anger causing meto drink


Member: JIM   T
Location: ALLENTOWN PA
Date: 18 Apr 1998
Time: 19:39:52

Comments

JIM ALCOHOLIC, THIS IS A COOL PLACE I'VE READ A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. I CAN REALLY RELATE TO THAT ANGER THING!!!!!!!!!!!


Member: David H.
Location: Nova Scotia Canada
Date: 19 Apr 1998
Time: 01:39:30

Comments

I'm an Alcoholic, my name is David. Progress can be enough when my PROGRAM is in place. PERFECTION isn't when it's not. THANKS for letting me share. Another 24 to you all.