Member:
Perry H in USA, PA
Date:
10/19/97
Time:
5:54:47 PM

Comments

Hello- My name is Perry and I am an alcoholic. I am honored to be a part of this growing meeting and watch it spread out around this planet called Earth. I hope that we can carry this message around the world and help other suffering alcoholics. Does anyone know if this is automatically translated in other languages? Like, if we were in Japan, would we read this meeting in Japaneese?

Anyway, this weeks topic is found in our Traditions... I love the traditions, I call them my second set of steps, it only took me 15 years to find out about the spritual nuggets buried in them. Having been at the tradition meeting this morning, I would like to repeat part of the reading that we studied. It is from the pamphlet: AA Tradition, How it developed.

It goes like this and was written by our old friend Bill Wilson , of course:

From Tradition Nine: "To begin with, each A.A. has been an individual who, because of his alcoholism, could seldom govern himself. Nor could any other human being govern the alcoholics obsession to drink, his drive to have things his own way, Time out of mind, families, friends, employers, doctors, clergymen, and judges have tried their hand at disciplinig alcoholics. Almost without exception the failure was complete. Yet we alcoholics can be led, we can be inspired; coming into A.A. we can, and we gladly do, yeild to the will of God. Hence it is not strange that the only real authority to be found in A.A. is that of spiritual principal. It is never personal authority.

Now to the topic: I have learned the hard way in the rooms of AA that the only way to successfuly stay sober and have any degree of sucess in all of my affairs, I mean work, relationships and sobriety, i.e ( all my lifes areas) I have to surrender , practice not knowing all the answers, relax and have the faith that all will turn out well when I let go and let God. It a l w a y s does!!! I never had this experience when I was using. I had to control evrything, and I hated all authority.

Example: My marital relationship was a wreck. I had struggled to change my mate every way I could. I finally gave up and asked for help... It worked!

Example: I almost spent my business out of business trying to force customers in the door. When I finally gave up and let go, then and only then , the customers came roaring in. The point is I always drank about my lousy wife and my lousy business!

The key was to let go and not try to control outcomes of anything... And that my friends, believe it or not came from Tradition Nine which states:

"A.A as such ought never be oragnized; but we may create service boards or committees directly responsible to those they serve."

Surprised?.... I was....Love, Perry H.


Member:
Doug A
Date:
10/19/97
Time:
8:18:51 PM

Comments

Hi everyone, I am Doug and I am alcoholic.

Thank you for your share Perry, I would love to share some discussion around recovery on a one to one. My E mail is registered with the secretary.

It is interesting is it not, that the one thing that works is the one thing that we all could not do when we were drinking. I us the collective not out of arrogance, but out of observation. It seems to be the conclusioon that all AAs come to when they get well. It has been shared of course that these steps are not steps up out of the problem, but steps down to humility. Bill told us in the BB that the requirement is ego deflation at depth. I would be forgiven I hope for observing the same message in step one that you so aptly described in trad nine.

My major problem is that I cannot stop drinking. I know this now because I tried, Oh how I tried, but no matter how hard I tried, the outcome was worse than the last effort. Indeed the whole of this fateful dilemma was summed up so neatly by Silky in The doctor's opinion. Then the answer was so simple, and laid out in three pertinent ideas in ch5 BB. I must have read and heard that read a thousand times before the penny dropped. I cannot stop drinking, but I know a man who can stop me drinking. So I had better turn to Him and ask for a day sober. Four years later I still ask every day, and He has never let me down. I do no believe that He would, but I know that I will if I begin to depend on me. This concept of letting go of control was so simple that I missed it. It went right over my head whilst I looked for the complicated answer. Once again Perry, thank you for illuminating a new perspective on the matter of my steps and their relationship to the traditions.

God Bless,

Doug A U.K.


Member:
Perry H.( chebard@ptd.net)
Date:
10/19/97
Time:
10:33:06 PM

Comments

Hey Doug!

You know what they say.... A very SIMPLE PROGRAM.. for very complicated people... Thanks from the heart for your sharing... you really helped me. Welcome to this meeting.


Member:
Judy K in Maine, USA
Date:
10/20/97
Time:
6:58:19 AM

Comments

Thanks, Perry -- an important topic! "Ought never be organized" is sometimes said with a chuckle, because some meetings are a little like a "happening" every week, but "organization" would mean some level of authority and dictation, a power structure. Happily, AA has only power to direct us -- HP -- and that has allowed me to become WILLINGLY responsible to the group and the principles. I'm not the only anti-authority (translate stubborn, arrogant, defiant) member of the Program, I know. But I desperately want the hand of AA always to be there, and for that **I** am responsible, from deep inside me, where it matters.

And the second part of the tradition talks about service, not an ego-driven hierarchy of people running things. So once again AA turns my alcoholic personality inside-out. Makes it "right-size" as Bill W once wrote, and willing to serve others. Indeed the traditions are spiritual principles! I didn't notice either, Perry, for many years because I thought they were "boring." Boy, was I wrong!


Member:
Joanie O portland Pa. USA
Date:
10/21/97
Time:
8:59:31 AM

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Hi all Joanie O alcoholic here; Great topic Perry , the ninth tradition is and always has been one of my favorites. When I was first getting sober it guided me to not be so intense and worry today it shows me the way of let go and let God. I must in my every day life allow God to let things happen for me. My life although in constant busyness is founded upon what He has instore for me. I have begun to relax with life and the outcome is in his hands. I must do all the research and footwork but He makes the final decesion. When I take it back every thing gets so jumbled and complicated and back to living on the edge. I am so grateful that we have this meeting and that we opened it up to the worldwide web Welcome to all our world wide fellow members of this most spiritual and loving fellowship with www love, miss Joanie


Member:
Cherise D.
Date:
10/22/97
Time:
8:24:52 AM

Comments

Hi everyone I'm Cherise and I'm an alcoholic. I really can relate to what Joanie said about Letting go and Letting God. I also can get in the way, and when I do boy do I create chaos for myself and others around me. Putting the Traditions into my life is something I'm just truly learning how to do. When I came in it was all mumbo jumbo to me, and now it's time for me to listen and learn (which I was taught how to do in AA), So until I know what I'm talking about with the Traditions I'll sit back and listen to the wisdom of others who do know. Thanks all have a great week!!!


Member:
Barbara S.
Date:
10/22/97
Time:
10:10:28 AM

Comments

There are no dues or fees. There are no membership lists. There is no central authority that can tell members and groups how they MUST behave. According to another Tradition, number Four: "Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole." It's definately an UNUSUAL situation!

Recently, for example, I realized that, while some celebrity (and non-celebrity) members DO break their anonymity at the public level (in the newspapers or on TV), the "voice of A.A." itself is never heard as an authority, correcting them. In fact, I have never seen anything at all in the newspapers or on TV either from or about GSO. Unusual indeed, for an organization with an estimated 2 million members worldwide!

As it says in the Tradition itself: "Great suffering and great love are A.A.'s disciplinarians; we need no others." Great suffering during our former lives, and great love in our present ones: as "trusted servants" to others and to A.A. as a whole.

Thanks for this topic, Perry. The Traditions, to me, are truly amazing, and as you say, contain some of the most important spiritual ideas that A.A. offers.

Peace to all -


Member:
Barry L
Date:
10/22/97
Time:
2:08:06 PM

Comments

I'm Barry and I'm an alcoholic,

Like Perry said surrender was important to me before I could get the program, I always knew I had a problem with alcohol, It was al the other stuff I had to surrender to, knowing it all, hating authority, not being able to govern myself. I've gotten better with many of these, but they are defects of character that can flair up at any moment.

As to the 9th tradition I have had that on my mind almost everyday since this site was created. I try to be very careful not to invoke my will, on this site. (If it had been up to me we would have opened up to the web back in June), but it was'nt the traditions taught me all members have a say in what happens, and I am only a trusted servant, I can not govern.

I think this meeting can be a very useful tool in carrying the message, and will soon be viewable by many alcoholic and not. And adhereing to the traditions in this new medium may me even more important than in a traditional meeting.

I Pray HP will guide us in our journey, to give back what was freely given.

Thanks


Member:
Manus B
Date:
10/23/97
Time:
5:32:07 PM

Comments

My name is Manus, I'm an alcoholic. It's been a couple of years since I got to a meeting. I'm glad I found this web meeting. The bit about control, well that's me alright!. Staying with a friend for a short holiday has shown me how much I've slipped back into my old ways. I need to look up the Steps and Traditions and put them into practice. Thanks for opening my eyes with your shares.

Manus B


Member:
Kathy S.
Date:
10/23/97
Time:
8:29:47 PM

Comments

Hi I am Kathy S. and I'm an alcoholic. I am a newcomer and this is my first time at this online meeting. I would just like to listen this week. Thank you all for being here, and I hope to share soon.


Member:
Tim G.
Date:
10/24/97
Time:
8:20:43 AM

Comments

Hi I'm Tim G. an I'm an alcoholic

I'm just listening also

Welcome Manus and Kathy, keep coming back


Member:
KarenC
Date:
10/24/97
Time:
3:56:20 PM

Comments

Thanks for sharing everyone. When I first came into the rooms my ego got me into alot of trouble. This tradition allows me to put my ego on the shelf and things in all areas of my life when I stop getting in the way give me a peace of mind.


Member:
Tracey M.--Atlanta, GA
Date:
10/25/97
Time:
12:15:19 AM

Comments

Wow Perry, what a great topic! the traditions really can help us live our lives. when i am spiritually centered it is always easier to "let go." i am very simply reminded to let go of the control by saying "thy will be done, not mine." it's amazing how quickly i'm reminded that i don't run the show afterall. the reading from the pamphlet talked about active drunks not being able to govern themselves. with a couple 24 hours under my belt, i still ask my higher power for help. i don't ever want to get so cocky as to believe i am in charge.

thanks again, it was great to hear from some pa friends! i desparately miss the kirkridge big book meeting. atlanta aa is incredible, but i still haven't found a big book meeting that compares to the intensity at kirkridge. please send my love!


Member:
Mark B
Date:
10/25/97
Time:
10:30:23 AM

Comments

Hi I'm Mark and I'm an alcoholic. Great topic Perry! I'm just listening this week!


Member:
Technical Cyrvants
Date:
10/25/97
Time:
10:23:44 PM

Comments

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