Member: Joan W.
Location: Right Here
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 09:07 AM

Comments

It sucks any help out there ???????


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 09:48 AM

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Bill here, Alcoholic from Arizona. Sharing in the spirit of our preamble which states I must stay sober and help others achieve sobriety. In early recovery I suffered from insomnia big time. Up half the night pacing. My body was used to drinking day in and day out. Takes a awhile for all the physical aspects of this crazy disease to heal. What was suggested to me, I will pass on to you. I was told to make use of the waking hours. Read the big book. Work on your current Step. Write to a friend. Call your sponsor. :) I will admit that sponsors that allow midnight phone calls are a rare breed today. But my sponsors allowed it and thus so do I. One word of wisdom that was given to me in the early days was. Lack of sleep will not get you drunk. Thank you for being a part of my sobriety today. I wish you all a happy and sober holiday season. Bill. Email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 10:16 AM

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Good morning all. Insomnia. Well, I certainly have not been sleeping well, but I don't think it is insomnia, but my mind working over time on stressful thoughts. It is never *good, happy* thoughts that keep me awake. I am on day two of sobriety after my slip, and grateful for all the support I get here, as I cannot get to a face to face meeting. I wish all a wonderful day, and thank you for helping to keep me sober today. Kim


Member: Kevin C
Location: Michigan
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 10:44 AM

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Kevin C from Michigan here. I'm a grateful recovering alcoholic. Thanks, Bill, for encouraging words. Kim C, glad you keep coming back! Just knowing you made it thru yesterday without picking up made my day. If you can't get to a face-to-face meeting, I hope you can get hold of a copy of "Alcoholics Anonymous". We call it the "Big Book". If it's not in a bookstore near you, you can get order info on the web. In my last post I probably tried to cram too much into a paragraph. Perhaps a much more sane suggestion is just "get the book and read it, it's wonderful!" "Our description of the alcoholic, the chapter to the agnostic, and our personal adventures before and after make clear three pertinent ideas: a) that we were alcoholic and could not manage our own lives, b) that probably no human power could have relieved our alcoholism, and c) that God COULD and WOULD if He were sought." There is hope!


Member: Kevin C
Location: Michigan
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 10:51 AM

Comments

One more note: you can read a lot of the first edition of the Big Book online at http://www.recovery.org/aa/bigbook/ww/ Easy does it. One day at a time.


Member: Sarah
Location: NW USA
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 11:43 AM

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Hi, my name is Sarah and I am a recovering alcoholic. Insomnia, a great topic for a beginner's meeting, how to sleep rather than pass out. I went thru a 28 day treatment program for my alcholism ... I was forced to deal with insomnia because we were required to change our lives to follow their schedule(no excuses). Wake up early(6 am), exercise(walk or run around an outdoor track), eat a healthy breakfast(7 am), go to a pray and meditation(8am), go to classes and/or talk with a conselor (9-12am), eat a healthy lunch (12-1), go to classes and/or talk with a conselor(1-4pm), eat a healthy dinner(5-6pm), choosing one of the following; an A.A. meeting, relaxing, socializing, watching TV, reading(6-10pm) and then bed at 10pm. What a change from my schedule as a lonely, hopeless practicing alcoholic, living and drinking on my alcoholic schedule ... it was not based on any societie's schedule(a spiritual We), nor prayer and meditation(a spiritual We), nor the educating and making decisions on inventories(a spiritual We). This new scedule help me to become open to the idea that alcoholism is a physical, mental and spiritual disease, and gave me some practical daily solutions of working the Steps and Tradions to aid in the treatment of my disease of alcoholism. If, I have insomnia today(many seniors do) thanks to the A.A. program I look at physical, mental and spiritual symptoms. Thanks one and all for sharing your Experience, Strength and Hope. Keep coming back.


Member: Anna W
Location: Florida
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 01:36 PM

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Hello everyone, Anna here alcoholic. Insomnia was a fact for me in the beginning of my sobriety. I would get up at 2:00 in the morning and take a hot bath and play soothing music. If that didn't work I came here to this site.I would also pray alot. I had to change my schedule and the more I practiced that the more my body accepted it. It will pass. I knew that with every day I was getting closer to the day when I would not have those kind of problems. And now I sleep great! Thanks for letting me share.


Member: Opal
Location: MI
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 04:53 PM

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Hello, Opal, grateful recovering alcoholic here. Insomnia was the sign God was sending me to indicate I had a problem, but I kept looking at the sympton and not the cause, drinking! I drank myself to sleep, but only for a short while. Couldn't drink more when I woke up because I had to work the next day so I stayed up and obcessed worse and worse until morning. Went to the stress center and stayed for a week. They told me I hated my mother and had to get into therapy??? It was there in front of my face, but I looked into every available other reason before I was forced to look at my drinking. Sleep didn't come naturally with sobriety, it came over time and recovery. That's my story of insomnia, hope it can help someone out there. Love and prayers to all here today trying to hold on to some sobriety.


Member: FrankD
Location: NJ
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 06:16 PM

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Frank here, alcoholic. After I sobered up and tried to sleep instead of passing out, I found, even after several months went by, that I was always tired. I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with sleep apnea, which I had been covering with my alcoholism. (one disease masking another) The treatment is drug free and has helped tremendously. Just wish I could lose the drunk dreams though. Frank


Member: Brea B
Location: South Carolina
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 08:27 PM

Comments

Insomnia, how appropriate. It was just last night that I woke up around 1 a.m. and couldn't go back to sleep until 5 a.m. During that time I came to this site and decided that I needed to make a major change and stop drinking. So, as I type this I am wrapping up a successful day one! I almost decided to drink tonight figuring since I have no time built up in sobriety yet that I had nothing to lose. But how many times have I said that and went ahead and had one and then another, etc. I can totally relate to passing out rather than going to sleep! Tonight I look forward to just going to sleep. I hope it works! Good night. Brea@sobercity.com


Member: Karen P.
Location: Wrightsville & Atlanta, GA
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 09:59 PM

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Hi, Karen, Alcoholic. I had to deal with insomnia when I went to rehab, too, and I was used to taking medication as well as drinking my way to sleep. Surprisingly enough my own natural resources and body rhythms kicked in in fairly short order. The sleep isn't as deep as it was when chemically induced, but it'll do. It is tempting to go back to the tranquilizers, because I sleep better with them. What do y'all think. Substituting one substance for another?


Member: PJ
Location: Florida
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 10:52 PM

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PJ, Alcoholic: A couple of things I heard about insomnia when I first got sober: nobody ever died from it & the more you worry about NOT sleeping, the less likely you will be able to sleep! It took awhile for my natural sleep patterns to reoccur (physical healing from alcohol), but when I quit worrying about not sleeping, my stress level went down. I tried to use the "sleeplessness" to do something productive-writing in my journal, visiting museums online, reading the big book, listening to music, cleaning a closet, etc. Do whatever works for you to get through this temporary insomnia, one night at a time. "This too shall pass". Happy sobriety :-)


Member: Chantal
Location: Big Bear Lake
Date: December 08, 2002
Time: 11:06 PM

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Insomnia it is something that I will once again experience in a couple of days after I quit again tomorrow. I know from past experiences that I will have night sweats, wierd dreams and the ability to not sleep, but not be able to do anything productive during those waking hours. Much like being drunk again. I have been trying and trying and trying to quit and it just isn't happening. I can't do a lot of things in my life because I drink and I drink because I think it will help me to do those things that I want to do. I recently quit for two months, and then went on vaction and went for the wine and the hot tub and I haven't looked back for the past two months. I am not sure why I think this time is going to be any different, but I am going to give it another shot. God bless you all today and for the rest of this week that you make it a clean week.


Member: Rick R.
Location: Middle East
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 12:04 AM

Comments

Hi, Everybody Rick, an alcoholic, writing from the Middle East. What a spot-on topic. I believe it was insomnia that was PARTIALLY responsible for my beginning to drink. Fear that I would not be able to sleep and taking steps to prevent it. Initially, anyway. I made a couple of weeks sober, then had a holiday and jumped off the wagon and wallowed thoroughly in the mud. I bought some beer last night and poured out what remained this morning. I didn't like myself and HATED the way I felt. There's every reason NOT TO drink, and no reasons at all to drink. By the way, I drink a cup or two of herbal tea in the evenings--partially to replace the beer, but also becuase it is a civilized thing to do. Celestial Seasonings "Nighty Night" is nice. Suggestion: FWIW (For What It's Worth, if you don't already know it), go talk to a Chinese herbalist for a herbal tea blend. Go see an accupuncturist for relaxation treatments. I'm not suggesting trading one drug for another, not my intention anyway. Just a passing thought. Or...go get a Chinese massage. Hope Springs Eternal. So here I go, beginning the uphill climb again. Eternal Optimist. I will make it this time.


Member:
Location:
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 01:16 AM

Comments

suffering from sleeping disorder me to guess what I have some time and to tell you the truth it does suck My sponcer told me to take Melation which is a vitain are bodys sometime stop producing melation so they sell it in cvs rite aid over the counter and non nar. Ps remember because we can't sleep it still does'nt justify a drink.. Keep it simple


Member: Robin Z.
Location: ny
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 07:46 AM

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(Joan W.)insomnia. I had insomnia about one year ago. It was AWFUL! I went to the doctor and wound up taking prozac because I couldnt sleep due to stress. It worked but it took about 2-3 weeks to kick in. They also said that taking benadryl works. I do not think that benadryl has alcohol in it. Hope this helps.


Member: Anne B
Location: Aylmer Quebec
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 09:13 AM

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Anne B Quebec. Insomnia...On a slip here after 3 years clean.Drank last nite and sleep was awfull. 9am and I', already thinking about tonite. Yep will take the long bath, read and herbal tea. But I'm also dreading tomorrow morning with the sweaths and shakes.40 yrs here and I realize my body cant take this any longer. Oh and I will go to a meeting tonite. Will take this day 5 minutes at a time if neccessary and pray pray pray!!I'm in pain tired and upset with myself but i will not let it conquer me. Guess I just had another lesson to learn. will give up and let the big guy do his thing. He does it much better than I cud ever!. At nite when the wheels start going crazy I ask Him to take it all and give it back to me in the morning. It works. Thanx for listening I will pray for all of us and send universal energy out to all. I know it will come back God be with u all


Member: mike H.
Location: Detroit, Mi.
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 09:20 AM

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hi all, i am mike an alcoholic. Have found similar helpa s described by Sarah in nw usa, ie. up early, exercise,counselor, eating healthy, bed early. also, Anna in Florida: hot baths/soothing music/changing pattern of staying up late. appreciate what i have read here and slowly feeling better by being sober, even though it is only 3 weeks.thankyou all and god bless you and your sincere efforts.


Member:
Location:
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 09:39 AM

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Mike H. - Welcome to Staying Cyber! Also, congrats on 3 weeks clean! This site has been of great help to me. I go to a lot of meetings, but find it helpful to check in here and get a quick shot of support when I need it. I work in Troy and hit meetings here Monday through Friday. The meetings in the Troy, Southfield, Royal Oak areas are great meetings. If you want the ones I hit, let me know and I'll give the locations and times. Again, welcome and keep coming back. Peace. Bill bpreston@theasegroup.com


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 09:46 AM

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Kim C. - How are you doing? I just got through this last weekend and thought to check in with you. Let me know how it's going. Are you on day 3 now since the slip? I had to go through a really long day Friday being around lots of booze (Christmas Open House and then a Christmas party I played music for with my sponsor). It tired me out, but I had fun and managed not to drink. This will be my first holiday season without booze and it's a little uncomfortable at times. I get a feeling of hope knowing that I have all of the meetings, people in the program, and sites like this to help me. Thank God for AA. Peace. Bill


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 10:18 AM

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Bill P.- Good morning! Thank you for thinking o me!. YEA!...I am indeed on day three since my slip on Friday. Determined as ever, and optimistic! This will also be my first holiday season without alcohol, and I am a little nervous, as I wasn't even able to make it through a visit with my brother without a beer (habits die hard) Though, I am proud of myself, because Saturday he was still here, and drank, and I did NOT! My sobriety is very important to me, if he can't understand that, it has to be *his* problem, not mine, or I will never get through this. It sounds like you had a busy, yet enjoyable weekend! Congratulations on doing it sober!...Thank you, and everyone here for helping to keep me sober TODAY! Happy Monday to all. Kim


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 10:49 AM

Comments

Kim C. - Good for you! You sound good, keep it up. One day at a time.....that's how it works. Yea, if we keep our sobriety most important, above everything, we have a good chance of having fun with life, rather than dealing with all of the chaos, misery, and dishonesty that came with the drinking. Love and Peace. Bill


Member: Joe P
Location: Chicago
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 12:26 PM

Comments

My name is Joe, and I am an alcoholic. I am fortunate not to have had much problem with insomnia, but that leaves me with little to give in that area. Kim C – Don’t beat yourself up about drinking. You are back on track, that is the important thing. You never have to drink again if you don’t want to. Do you have a Big Book yet? Have you gotten any e-mail addy’s or phone numbers of other women in recovery? Brea B – WTG on the first day! Rick R – Same as I said to Kim C, except for you I’d recommend contact with men in the program. Have you made any of the AA meetings there, yet? F2F meetings really help. Bill P – Thank you for carrying the message! Keep on trudging ODAAT. Joe – joep041699@mindspring.com


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 02:13 PM

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Joe P....I don't have the Big Book yet, and live miles and miles from anywhere that would have a meeting. I haven't any numbers of women in recovery, no. I am kind of blindly struggling along with only my desire and need to be sober keeping me returning...for TODAY...Kim


Member: Kevin C
Location: Detroit
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 02:29 PM

Comments

Hi, Kevin C here, alcoholic from Michigan. Kim C, congrats on day three! In case you missed my earlier post, you can read a lot of the first edition of the Big Book online at http://www.recovery.org/aa/bigbook/ww/ It has been a life saver for me.... And Mike H., if you're looking for meetings in Dearborn, Inkster, Wayne, or Downriver I can recommend some good ones. Keep coming back!


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 02:50 PM

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Joe P. - Thanks for being here and keeping me sober today. At 6 1/2 months sober, I have the normal ups and downs. I've gone through a few low periods and during those times I've found that getting out of myself and helping someone else is the best way to improve my attitude. After all, I'm alcoholic and that's just how it is for US. My attitude can be my own worst enemy. Peace.


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 03:17 PM

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Kevin C....Thank you for your support, and the link...went there right away. Without meetings or sponsor, how does one go about "working the steps"???? HELP?!?!?!? Anyone??? Thank you for helping to keep me sober TODAY....Kim


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 03:23 PM

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Kevin C....Thank you for your support, and the link...went there right away. Without meetings or sponsor, how does one go about "working the steps"???? HELP?!?!?!? Anyone??? Thank you for helping to keep me sober TODAY....Kim


Member: Kevin C
Location: Detroit
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 03:43 PM

Comments

Hi, my name's Kevin C and I'm still an alcoholic. Kim, glad you found the Big Book link. Face to face meetings are great, but if you're in a location where there are none, God is there too! These cyber meetings can be a great help. For me, the most important part of the f2f's is learning to listen, and that's something we can all do here as well. A sponsor is helpful too. Even though there are no f2f's in your area, perhaps you can hook up with a sponsor by calling AA's central office and getting a phone number? (AA recommends male sponsors for males, and female sponsors for females.) I see my sponsor once a week, but we connect on the phone much more regularly. As for working the steps, my suggestion is to begin by reading the Big Book from the beginning, and then really "chewing on" chapters 5 & 6. For my first 3 months, my sponsor had me stay on steps 1, 2 & 3. Of course, we never "graduate" -- just add more steps! The book will give you some good insights, and of course, your fellow AA's will be around here as well. Thanks for helping keep me sober, and keep coming back. It really does work!


Member: marsha l.
Location: guam
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 03:51 PM

Comments

Comprising evening plans is comparable to swatting around a sweaty tick. You must re-evolve in your schedule, but figure out a way to polish off the day with zeal. Find your route to drowse slowly, but surely. Remember, a quick way to slumber has always been a warm glass of tomato juice.


Member: Brad B.
Location: Atlanta, GA
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 04:16 PM

Comments

Hello - my name is Brad and this is day 2. I have tried on my own many times to quit, but after Saturday night - it is clear, attempting to stop solo is a failing proposition. I tried " to just have a couple glasses of wine" and about an hour later, I don't remember much. I turned 30 three weeks ago and thought that milestone would be the place to quit. I have failed miserably. What are the first steps to turn my failed attempts into long-term sobriety and success? I am tired of screwing things up with family, friends, and strangers. Thanks in advance - Brad


Member: mike
Location: indiana
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 04:35 PM

Comments

Hello all, Mike here, alcoholic!!!!!!!! Believe it or not, Ive found the best thing for insomnia is sleep.............just kidding, actually sex works for me!!! Alot of excercise and not thinking about what I have to do the next day. michaelblodgett@hotmail.com The drink does work, but who needs it? Anyone out there that can come up with a good reason to drink, Ill fly to meet you, and have one with ya. Bye for now.


Member: Kelly M
Location: New Hampshire
Date: December 09, 2002
Time: 04:55 PM

Comments

Hi ((Brad)), You don't have to do it alone. Congrats on day 2! Call the AA hotline and get to a meeting tonight if possible. In your area there should be plenty of meetings. At the meeting pick up a meeting schedule, talk to people, ask for a temporary sponsor and if you can buy a Big Book for 6 dollars. You will feel so much better, trust me. It sounds like a long list but there will be people there to help. Dive right in and try a meeting a day and you will slowly begin to understand that alcoholism is a disease that wants to kill you. AA has helped me to find the tools to fight the drink off, if I work the program. One day at a time... ((Kim C)) Congrats on day 3!!! Kevin gave you some good advice. It is harder when you live in a remote area but not impossible. I can hear how badly you want it. Keep up the good work! Brad, another thing is don't judge too harshly your first meeting. It is easy enough to do. I have been to hundreds of meetings in my 2 plus months and no two are the same except for the message. I have my favorites now but when it comes down to it any meeting is better then none especially if I'm in a bad place. Well, time to get ready for a meeting myself....Just for today...... Kelly :)


Member: avery l.
Location: Florida
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 03:50 AM

Comments

mike in indiana...your comments were cute....just me Avery.....on day 4 now.....after having 17 days...after having....yadda yadda yadda days...but after having 7.5 yrs!.....I can do it again!...it does get harder tho and alcoholism is definitely progressive....i've now proved time and time again that I can't take that first drink......doing the same things expecting different results...sorry i'm not talking about the subject...insomnia...i tend to sleep much better when i'm sober.....provided i take NO naps in the daytime....God Bless to you all...things do get better...Avery


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 09:18 AM

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insomnia...yeea....up every hour on the hour, but the special thing is, when I sleep, the nightmares are unbelievable. I am sleeping less, smoking more...tired...yet grateful to be on day four after my slip....thank you all for helping to keep me sober TODAY..a happy sober Tuesday to ALL, Kim


Member: LukeK
Location:
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 10:25 AM

Comments

Hello everyone. My name is Luke and I'm ready to admit that I am an alcoholic. I drank after midnight on Sunday so I guess today (Tuesday) is my first full day sober. There could not be a better topic for me than insomnia. This has long been a problem for me but it became severely so about 5 years ago when I was dating my wife. It was a fun time but also very stressful and I used alcohol to help me sleep. All these years later I haven't recovered. The longest I ever went without drinking was 52 days and I noticed that the insomnia was lessening as time went on. My wife is very upset with me and I almost got in trouble with the law. I am scared and guilty and want to end this insanity. I am 31 and would like to have kids in a few years but I know I have to straighten out first. Thanks for listening. I wish you all continued sobriety. I know it has to be worth it.


Member: Amanda
Location: Northwestern Montana
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 11:09 AM

Comments

Hi All! Amanda and an alcoholic. Kim C Congratulations on day four! I am not in early sobriety but just checking in to see where I can help out. Not being able to sleep is a part of your body adjusting to being without alcohol. It's very normal in early sobriety. It totally sucks and makes getting through those first long sober nights very challenging but, it is normal. And for most of us it passes. I now sleep great but that certainly was not the case initially. Most importantly remeber,facing a day tired or even exhausted is still better than facing a day with a violent and rageing hangover and God knows I had a lot of those days depite my hours of solid but drunken" sleep. Lack of sleep will not kill you unless you fall asleep while you are driving but alcoholism will. Being tired will not cause you to make a fool out of yourself being drunk will. Being tired will not cause you to alienate your family or friends, get you fired, buy you a DUI or worse yet, a drunk driving traffic accident, drink will. As for ideas on how to deal with the insomnia, I agree with all of the other advice regarding using the time awake to read and write in a journal and the suggestions to try a routine of warm baths,herbal tea, calming music, and reading. Don't push the sleep issue. Fill your time with as much postive activity as you are able.And when your body gets tired enough you will sleep. Physical activity is very helpful. As you exercise your body burns nor-epinephrine which contributes to stress related insomnia. Consider cooling the caffeine and sugar in the evening - best advice no caffeine of any kind after 4:00 PM and no sugar after 8:00 PM. For nightmares and wild midnight thoughts get a notebook out and write them down. It helps to purge them from your subconscious. You do not have to be a "writer" to jot your thoughts in a notebook or a journal. Remember is it not your first novel, it is a private tool to help you deal with your feelings. No lie, one day in my early sobriety, I was cranky and just wrote a whole page of things like… "I am feeling anger about needing to go through all this sobriety stuff and I am cranky, cranky, cranky!" and later I felt better. I at least acknowledged to myself I was in a bitchy mood.It helped and it kept me from being too bitchy to others. Think about reading something calming; there are lots of good books on the subject of sobriety including material that is designed to be spiritually uplifting. Don't forget to turn your anxieties over to God or your higher power. Best wishes and my thoughts for the ZZZZs


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 11:20 AM

Comments

Kim C. - Greetings on day four for you! Keep it up and keep coming back. We love you. Bill


Member: Amanda
Location: Northwestern Montana
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 11:30 AM

Comments

Amanda again and still an alcoholic, Just had to write to encourage Luke. You have done the hardest part, finally admitted that your life is out of control because of alcohol. You have to name it before you can treat it. And admitting you have the disease is the most difficult. If you really want help staying sober, find a AA meeting that you can go to in person. And then keep going. Speak up at the meeting and ask for help and a sponsor. Most of us need help to quit and stay sober! Very few of us did it on our own. And why do it alone? There are lots of wonderful people out there who have the same disease you have, that are willing to help. Its part of the program to "pay it forward" so to speak. Start reading the Big Book. Note from the posting above where you can read it on-line. You can also order books on the subject on-line. Admit to your wife and people that love you that you have a problem. My guess is they already know how bad your drinking problem is and wish you would quit. If they have not talked to you it is becuase they do not know how. Ask them for help and support. Then get to some meetings and with the help of your sponsor and others start working the steps. They work! I am living proof.


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 02:10 PM

Comments

Amanda! Thank you SO much for your post. I had a million thought that came to mind while reading your post, and I have lost them all. I am terribly self centered these days..lost in my own feelings....self absorbed while the kids are at school and my spouse is at work. I don't know if this is normal or not, but it is hard to get the focus off ME in my mind. I feel like if I could just get off the *God, this is so hard* kick, the days wouldn't drag so much. Stupid things keep distracting me though. I crave sweets...the only chocolates I had were thses damn Brandy beans I bought a month ago before admitting to myself I had to stop drinking...it took me twenty minutes to throw them in the garbage and not eat them...how crazy is that???? What a waste of 20 minutes of my day...suffering...over stupid chocolates???...I have a Dr's appt later today, as I suffer depression and anxiety for the past ten years...self medicated with alcohol for the past year trying to get off medication...BAD mistake....now I am out of my anxiety meds....trying HARD not to get the usual afternoon, get me past this horrible feeling six pack that often leads to more like 15 beer, and a fight with my spouse...and....arrrrgh...I wish I lived near a town that had meetings...I wish I had a sponsor (that I could drive crazy right now), I hope I can make it just one more day. Thank you Amanda...I am sorry I muddled up my ramblings with my thanks for your thoughtful post...thank you for being part of keeping me sober TODAY...Kim


Member: Amanda
Location: NW Montana
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 02:22 PM

Comments

Amanda again, Kim C and others new at this, hang in there. After time it does get better and staying sober takes up less and less of your life! Kim C check your e-mail...


Member: Lonnie S.
Location: Forestburg
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 04:08 PM

Comments

Lonnie, recovery alcoholic. Sleep patterns were not very consistent when I was drinking. I believe alcohol interfers with the REM cycle of sleep. I am now sleeping better but still do wake up during the night. I am only seven weeks into my recovery. I know as I get healthier my sleep patterns will get better as well. Stay Sober and don't let the stress of the Holidays get you. Deep Breathing is helping me cope.


Member: LukeK
Location:
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 04:27 PM

Comments

Thanks Amanda. I actually did read most of the Big Book the last time I really tried hard to quit drinking all together (that was when I managed 52 days sober). I also had an online sponsor who help me greatly. I don't know how my wife would feel about my participation in AA. I think she views that there is a stigma to it. She probably feels like I can just quit on my own. I am going to do a lot of praying and meditating on my life situation. I am VERY determined this time to put an end to the madness. But as I have come to learn so well, alcohol truly is baffling and powerful and cunning. I try to have a balanced view of guilt because it can ber very corrosive if taken too far. I know one of the steps talks about confessing everything. I have in the past talked to people but it can be embarrassing and might hurt someone's feelings. If I confess to God and myself that is a start.


Member: Daniel W
Location: Red Deer, Albertaa, Canada
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 08:48 PM

Comments

Hello from westeren Canada...just a quick response to Kim in BC....the steps are there to save your life...although we are powerless, hopeless and helpless in step 1 ("lack of power that was our delemma")..."the main purpose of this text" (Big Book) "is to enable you to find a power to solve your problem" After reading hOw It Wors, the next line reads...being comnvinced, we were at step: we say something like this.....the 1st ACTION, comittment step....God I offer myaself to you to do with me as thou wilt. Deliver me from the bondage of self that I may better do thy will.Take away my difficulties that VICTORY over them may bear witness to thy truth, love and way of life...we have now completed step 3, the key to a new life, sobriety, and a new spirit. It isn't an intellectual exercise, no reservations...just DO IT!There is tremendous power in saying these words, affirming the miracle of recovery...an awakening will happen for you if yopu are sincere....The Big Book says that we have had deep and effective experiences that have TRANSFORMED our lives...begins with step 3...the solution...it doesnt hurt to create personal affirmations that become more true with time: TODAY I AM SOBER TODAY I HAVE POWER IN MY LIFE TODAY I HAVE VICTORY OVER ALCOHOL TODAY I HAVE LOVE IN MY LIFE TODAY I HAVE A VIBRANT DYNAMIC PROGRAM TO CHANGE MY LIFE TODAY I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP OTHERS TODAY I HAVE JOY I hope you connect with the power that you have, get passionate about recovery and share the vicctory with others....it doesnt have to be a struggle...God Bless You...daniel


Member: Amanda
Location: NW Montana
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 09:11 PM

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Amanda, alcoholic, obviously off work today on a snow day! Just some thoughts back to Luke and for others relatively new to dealing with sobriety. First of all, confessing EVERYTHING to all of your friends is NOT one of the steps! I suggested that you talk about your problem to a person or two that could support you as you deal with your disease, to go to some face-to-face meetings if they are available, get a sponsor and most importantly work the AA program. I said that to you because you asked and because you sound so filled with remorse. …AND seem to have a sincere desire to quit drinking. AA is not magic, it is a proven program that works but you have to work it, plane and simple. And I know this is going to sound blunt, but help me understand your last couple of postings? You almost got into trouble with the law, you are drinking in a manner that frightens you and it is disrupting your life to the point you feel it could change your plans to have children but, you don't “think that your wife would like it if you go to AA?? You stated that, “She thinks you should just quit on your own.” Alcoholism is a disease. Only an estimated 15 to 20 percent of the American population has the disease. Hummm...if you had diabetes would you try to treat it without insulin because your wife thinks you should just cut back on sugar? If you had cancer would you try to cut the tumor out yourself? The sad truth is that alcoholism is a disease that if left untreated, it is a progressive and degenerative disease and eventually leads to death. Cancer has better survival rates! Then let me repeat, if left untreated, alcoholism is progressive and destructive disease that leads to death. How? By liver damage, heart damage, stroke, high blood pressure, brain damage, and bleeding disorders. Not a pretty picture, but truthful. I have been witness to its devastation way too many times, as I am a nurse with way too much ER and ICU experience. And just to be clear, this is not my opinion, this information is well documented in medical textbook after medical textbook. It is also available on-line at the National Institute for Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism. For those of you who wish to understand the disease process a little better I suggest that you read the book, "The Addicted Brain" or the book “Beyond the Influence.” Although abstinence from alcohol is a large part of the treatment, quitting on your own is extremely difficult because your chemically altered brain is sending messages that are lobbying for more of the substance, alcohol. It is not a diet or “will-power thing”. I do understand how sharing with people and going to AA meetings would be difficult for you because I thought I would rather die than walk into an AA meeting. I thought they would all be the stereotypical losers we see on TV – a roomful of drunks. Wrong they are a complete cross-section of society. And then, I was so sure someone I knew would “see” me going into the building or be there. Then I finally realized that if they were present or knew what meeting was in the building, they would be an alcoholic too! Sometimes I am not as bright as I look… Then because of the very fact that I am a nurse….well, how embarrassing do you think it was for me? VERY, I admit it! But I knew I had a problem and that I needed help. And help was there for the taking. Finally with the support of a sponsor and by working the program, I was able to actually stay sober for longer than 3 months. Today I have a number of years of solid sobriety under my belt, (and grateful for everyday.) While I agree confessing to God is helpful and a very good start, I also believe God helps those who use the tools he provides. He gives us surgeons to fix broken bones and doctors to give us treatments for cancer. You say you are an alcoholic and he has placed before you the very best treatment program in the world for alcoholism, AA and their wonderful support. Think about it, ruining a marriage because your drinking is getting progressively worse, ending up in jail or the ER is WAY more embarrassing than going to an AA meeting. Ultimately it is your choice to seek treatment and support or not to get sober or not. But it is your life and your body- so make it YOUR choice not the choice of your wife or your ego.


Member: Beto L
Location: Tampico, Mexico
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 09:32 PM

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I still have trouble sleeping after 27 years sober. I just accept it. For years I worked second and third shift jobs, because I was too sleepy on the job if I worked days. Generally the thing that makes me sleepiest is giving up on trying to sleep, and trying to take advantage of the awake time. Beto Exercise helps a lot.


Member: Lassa
Location: Lissless Lasslussles
Date: December 10, 2002
Time: 11:50 PM

Comments

If drinking a glass of wine raises your spirits and enlevens your tight ends, then chase it with a clean spirit.


Member: Kyle H
Location: San Diego
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 12:12 AM

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Hi Kyle here "alcoholic!" this Friday the 13th will be 3 months for me! Kind of funny how I stoped drinking on Friday September 13th! I'm finally starting to sleep better, but only for 6 straight hours then I wake up all of a sudden? As each day goes by it seems to be gettng better. Thanks for all the support! I couldn't make it without all the great people out their like yourself's! God bless you all!!!


Member: LukeK
Location:
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 08:26 AM

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Luke here again, on my second full day sober, didn't sleep much last night but glad to face a new day without a hangover and with a little less guilt. I am an alcoholic. Amanda, I understand and agree with what you are saying. Alcoholism is a monster that can't be taken lightly. I have lived it and I know as you do. For people without this problem like my wife, it is harder to understand the compulsion to drink. They have not done the research to comprehend the full scope of the situation. I have contacted my online sponsor again and I plan on attending this cyber meeting everyday. It would be much harder for me to get to f2f meetings but I am also considering that. I didn't mean to imply that I believe there should be any kind of stigma to AA. I think you'll agree that other people think this. I think my wife would feel embarrassed for others to find out I was going to AA. I personally would not. Please understand I want to end this insanity. I just want to try using the cyber meeting and cyber sponsor method along with working the steps. I know one isn't expected to confess everything to all of one's friends but I thought one of the middle steps involves confessing all of one's mistakes to another person who can be trusted. Maybe I don't understand this step. Please help me to. Thank you all so much... lukekfr@yahoo.com


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 09:34 AM

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Good morning all! Beginning my fifth day (again) with the strngest feeling of guilt...like the sort I awoke with after drinking...the..."Oh no, what have I done" feeling. I am trying to figure out what triggered this. I am still not sleeping through the night...and when I do my dreams are vivid, and not pleasant. I am drinking too much coffee (horrible for my anxiety) too much pop (cold and fizzy like beer is the only reason i can see i might crave it???) and eating TOO much...smoking too much...I keep trying to tell myself "this too shall pass". I have found someone willing to sponsor me online (thank God) so I look forward to gaining some more insight into this disease, and how I can successfully refrain from using alcohol. OK, I have babbled enough...I wish you ALL a happy, sober Wednesday...thank you for being part of what is keeping me sober TODAY....Kim


Member: Robin R.
Location: Delaware
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 10:47 AM

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hello everyone..this is my 1st appearance on this site. i hope i can lend some insight on the chosen topics..i'm 31 yrs old and have been an on and off again practicing alcoholic for nearly 20 years. sleep has always taken a back seat to my selfish behavior. these past 2 years, i have suspected my wife was having an affair, which hasn't help me sleep either. plus, she is also an alcoholic. i'm on my 4th day now of sobreity and taking it as they say "one day at a time". seperated from my family, and facing weekend jail for fighting. i'm as screwed up as ever. but, my point on getting on here was to share and to seek help at the same time. i know that our God is a good God, and all things can be accomplished through prayer. though my mind is scrambled right now, my focus needs to be on the Lord. all problems, including sleep, can be dealt with in that healthy manner. i recommend prayer to everyone. it is a discipline also, but a discipline worth while. please keep me and my family in your prayers. thank you for letting me share.


Member: Marv
Location: Ms
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 11:31 AM

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Hi,Marv L,an alcoholic.So glad to "see" everyone sharing-recovery is a "WE" thing! Wish I could ride up to Montana,or Delaware,or your place,and chat with ya,Ive felt those feelings your writing about! SO GLAD you"re here,Robin! YOu"l find the help you need,and in time will look back to realize it takes what it takes to make you want to change. Thank God for the sleepless nights I spent drunk,even the sleepless nights early in my AA days! Alcohol promised me everything,and when it ground me down to where I only had alcohol to numb the pain of living,I limped into a circle of caring folks,who had discovered a way out! Keep coming back! We love you!


Member: Tara
Location: Austin
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 11:42 AM

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Just wanted to share real quick. I'll have 30 days on Monday, Dec.16. And can't wait to get my first chip. Of which, I hope to have many! After reading the posts on insomnia, I found myself unable to fall asleep. Tried praying, drinking tea, calling a friend, and finally pulled the BB out. Soon into Chapter 5, I got sleepy. I like what people have said about insomnia. I think that it just reinforces how ALIVE we feel in our sobriety. Thanks.


Member: Thomas
Location: S. Fl.
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 12:23 PM

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Thomas here. Grateful to be clean and sober this 24. I read here every day and everyone has an important message to deliver and I get a great deal of strength from all. However, once in a while one knocks your socks off. Wow, Amanda that was a great share. Thank you very much.


Member: Kelly M
Location: New Hampshire
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 03:14 PM

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Hi All, Kelly here. Very Grateful Alcoholic. On sleep I did not post about it because it is not a problem, well, lack of it. I sleep too much, 8-10 hours. My friend accuses me of wasting the day because I get up at noon. I'm a night owl by nature. Last night I was making a beef stew at 1am and writing in my journal. Now I have a nice stew in the crock pot for dinner and oh well, I went to bed late. The way I look at it whatever works for this alcoholic. I'm trying not to be too hard on myself and enjoy my new sobriety. I need to quit smoking, lay off chocolate etc. but one addiction at a time. Went to a great meeting last night where my sponsor spoke. She has great program and 4 years sober. She was funny and sad at the same time. She was complaining of how they put beer in the cookie section of the grocery store on purpose and how she thinks they came out with a 40 pack shaped like carry on luggage complete with wheels and pull strap. Then the sad part about losing her sons to drinking and making amends to them a little to late. You lose, you lose, you lose with this disease. Came home and watched a movie with my son. Ben Affleck saved the world from nucleur annihilation. Pretty cool. Made out Christmas cards and actually wrote notes in them. I can write again, the shakes are gone!It is the small things that mean the most that I have back. ((Kim C))Keep up the good work, Your feeling things again not drowning them with booze. Feelings are just feelings nothing more and nothing less. If I had a dollar for everything I missed out on drunk I'd be rich! Good, bad or otherwise. Amanda, great read. So true and sad about the stats. Was reading today that the next town over is fighting to keep a "sober home" from moving in based on the stats and relapse rate for alcoholics. I know I relapsed the first time myself but this time I am driven to free myself from that hell. When asked what is going to keep me sober this time I just say that I had to drink every drink I drank to get sober. It's the truth for me. I also work a hard program in AA because it works if you work it and I want it bad! Everyone have a great day ODAT. Don't drink, Go to meetings, call your sponsor, pick up the phone/ keyboard, it ain't heavy... :) .............Kelly


Member: Sarah M.
Location:
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 04:38 PM

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Hi Thomas - glad you're here!


Member: Amanda
Location: NW MT
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 06:14 PM

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Amanda, An alcoholic Thomas, Kim, Kelly, Luke congratulations on one more day sober! Thanks for the feedback on the share. I guess the topics pushed my buttons on all of my excuses not to take action or go to meetings when I was in early sobriety. Kelly, I agree with you there is no correct "way" of maintaining your sobriety. Just work at it everyday and Yes Thomas, be grateful for this 24! I remember feeling SO guilty about all the drinking...and stupid things I did when I was drinking. But you are correct Kelly, it led me to be where I am today and that is sober. A certain amount of guilt is good...(OOOH my Mother just turned in her grave!) But the guilt does remind me of where I never want to be again and why I work so hard to stay sober! Be good to yourself out there...


Member: Ray S
Location: Nova Scotia Canada
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 07:22 PM

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Been there , Read the book, Saw the movie. Insomnia was always a big problem for me when I when I quit drinking. You spend years falling into bed if you made it there and passing out in a stupor. I don't know if that was your pattern but it sure was mine. I talked about this with some other AA's and I got some interesting input. Did you say your prayers I was asked. No! I started to do this and lo and behold I could fall asleep in a short period of time. The amazing thing is I did not wake up hungover. Let Go Absolutely! Don't take your day to bed with you. Take inventory every night. What did we do right, what could we have done better, what can we do better TOMMOROW. This works for me. It's all in the Big Book.


Member: Karen P.
Location: Wrightsville & Atlanta, GA
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 08:21 PM

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I'm not in a mood to be here tonight, but I promised my sponsor I would come here regularly and share, so here I am. This is something I really don't want to share. I am afraid of insomnia and my doctor prescribes me medication to help me sleep. That is something I haven't been willing to give up when I gave up alcohol. I probably need to because it is a drug and it is habit-forming. I know I would spend some sleepless nights if I stopped taking it, and the quality of my sleep wouldn't be as good. Okay, now someone can give me a good lecture on how I am trading one dependency for another. I'm actually not, because I used to take the pills and drink too. I just haven't given one of them up. I could have, because during detox I didn't have the medication, and I really didn't have to start taking it again. I could have taken advantage of the headstart and just stayed with it. Thanks for a good topic. I can see now why I didn't want to be here. I've got some thinking to do.


Member: Bob P.
Location: Midwest
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 09:57 PM

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Bob from the Midwest here: OK Karen.. Here's your lecture: Quit hammering on yourself.... I don't think any of us woke up one day and poof! we were full bore drunks. It took time. We are all different, but for some of us, getting out from under takes time too. In some ways, you sound like me. If I had just saved two kids from walking in front of a train by yanking them back off the tracks, my next thought would be.. "Yeah, but I ripped the one kid's shirt..:) Always seeing the half empty glass rather than the half full. Rejoice in the fact that you did not take a drink today and move ahead from there as you can. But remember to rejoice when you have a right to. As you do right now


Member: Bob P.
Location: Midwest
Date: December 11, 2002
Time: 09:57 PM

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Bob from the Midwest here: OK Karen.. Here's your lecture: Quit hammering on yourself.... I don't think any of us woke up one day and poof! we were full bore drunks. It took time. We are all different, but for some of us, getting out from under takes time too. In some ways, you sound like me. If I had just saved two kids from walking in front of a train by yanking them back off the tracks, my next thought would be.. "Yeah, but I ripped the one kid's shirt..:) Always seeing the half empty glass rather than the half full. Rejoice in the fact that you did not take a drink today and move ahead from there as you can. But remember to rejoice when you have a right to. As you do right now


Member: anonymous alcoholic (DOS 12/12/90)
Location: 2689 Ridgecrest Drive
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 04:54 AM

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Seems like I suffer from insomnia MORE since I stopped drinking exactly 12 years ago Today! I don't have any perfect suggestions. I have quit caffeine and that seems to help some. I don't have any problem falling asleep. My problem is staying asleep. I try not to drink too much liquids later in the day to avoid having to wake up to pee. Maybe there are some unresolved 'issues' that my 'committee' needs to discuss in those wee hours of the morning. Maybe I need to go thru the steps again and get rid of that crap. Thanks.


Member: LukeK
Location:
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 08:13 AM

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Luke, here, alcoholic and now sober for three days. Thanks Karen and Bob for sharing your thoughts. Karen I can relate to what you are saying. My doctor has prescribed several medications as well as OTC sleeping aids that I have been using. I feel a little guilty this morning because I used two such medications last night to help me sleep. I had had two terrible nights of insomnia before. Bob's comments make me feel better. My ultimate goal is to give up all medication for sleep but in the meantime I have to look at the glass as being half full. By not touching alcohol, I have no hangover today, I said no unkind things to my wife last night, I can have a productive day at work today. I need to focus on those positives and move forward to more goals. I can already feel a measure of joy from my short time sober. I can only imagine things continuing to look more positive. I am learning to pray every day for the help to not drink and not desire the drink and also to thank God for his help. Thanks for letting me share...


Member: Michele B.
Location:
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 08:41 AM

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I'm returning to the program for the THIRD time. Longest sober period was a year and a half. Any suggestions for looking at this in a new way? I'm so afraid I'll talk myself into drinking again.


Member: Kim C
Location: BC. Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 10:22 AM

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morning, and happy Thursday to ALL! I am happy (or maybe nervous) to say that at the end of this day it will be the longest period of time in two years I have been sober!! Six days ;) Thank you for being part of what is keeping me sober TODAY! Hope you all have a great and sober 24!! Kim


Member: Mike H.
Location:
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 10:25 AM

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Enjoyed your comments Tara, Austin. Congrats. on your approaching 30 days.....i am clean now for 23 days...i have used the BB to help me get sleepy in the evening. Also feel more "alive" with sobriety. More aware of how much time i pissed away drinking, unproductive @ work with hangover, dragging myself to work tired and feeling awful. Michele B., i have struggled the last 18 months with staying clean - looking at this in a new way? so what if it is your 3rd try, the important thing is "this moment" and not drinking today. Lots of meetings, BB, "being good to Michele"...hang in there.


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 10:26 AM

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Kim C again...a quick PS on the "topic"....last night I had a good sleep...didn't wake up every hour...no nightmares. I must admit it was at least partially due to a prescription from my DR (who knows I self medicate with alcohol when depressed or anxious)...but I hope in some small way it is my mind finially coming to some peace as I battle, or attempt to battle my own deamons! WOW....9 hours of sleep without a dozen or more beer first! Will wonders never cease! ;)


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 10:30 AM

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Kim C again...a quick PS on the "topic"....last night I had a good sleep...didn't wake up every hour...no nightmares. I must admit it was at least partially due to a prescription from my DR (who knows I self medicate with alcohol when depressed or anxious)...but I hope in some small way it is my mind finially coming to some peace as I battle, or attempt to battle my own deamons! WOW....9 hours of sleep without a dozen or more beer first! Will wonders never cease! ;)


Member: Anglea
Location: NY
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 01:52 PM

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Good work, Kim! I sent you an email, hope you recieved it. I kept sober here online from the help I received on here, I do not drive and I would love to have some email support if anyone is interested in corresponding. I am a stay at home mom of two, aged 8 and 12. I'd love to hear from anyone regardless of age or situation. Just that we have the goal of not feeling alone in out quest to be sober. Be are all in this together, Angela


Member: AZbill
Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 03:08 PM

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I have just located an old file "Slips and Human Nature" written by Bill Silkworth of the "Doctors Opinion" It really turned on the light bulb for me on why we go back out. It may help over the holidays. I will email it to you on request. Bill. email: az-bill@mindspring.com


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 03:17 PM

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((Angela)) I have yet to recieve an email from you that I am aware of. My email is bc_girl@mail.com (the underscore is needed) I look forward to hearing from you. I can understand the need for email support, as I live in a remote area. Though I have the complete support of my spouse (thank God), the small (read, teeny tiny) population of the logging camp I live in is basically gossip central. While I know I should not worry about what others think...my concern is for my family...so I keep to myself my addiction to alcohol. I wish I could attend f2f meetings...I think having that support of support network and being part of it would help...but this site has thus far been a life saver! I am also a stay at home mom, and it makes for some very long days...trying to keep my mid and body busy...minus stress (good luck ;)...Please try to email again. Thank you for being part of what is keeping me sober TODAY. Kim


Member: Lonnie S.
Location: Forestburg
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 05:03 PM

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Lonnie, recovering Alcoholic. My husband and I are working the program together which helps. The problem I am having is he stills seems to be caught up in everyone elses agenda and not his own. I am having a hard time with my reactions to him. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Peace


Member: EdM
Location: Michigan
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 05:53 PM

Comments

My first day, sure glad I found this site. So I have insomnia to look forward too, yeah. While I wait for a meeting I resist minute by minute. This site is terrific, looking forward to the support from all of you.


Member: Daniel W.
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 07:00 PM

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To Michele B.....if you can talk yourself into drinking it also means that you can talk yourself into sobriety... Step 3 say...we say something like this...try talking recovery, not failure..you can do it...God Bles You!..daniel


Member: Ken C
Location: Foresthill, CA
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 08:08 PM

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Hi, I'm Ken, an alcoholic. I came across this discussion site today, and I am so grateful I did because I'm struggeling with a "slip", (more likely catastrophic failure), that has lasted for nearly 5 years now. I once enjoyed 8 years of sobriety thanks to the AA program. I gradually drifted away from meetings and working my program, which I know doomed my sobriety. In these 5 years I've managed brief periods of sobriety and gotten to some, (but not enough), f2f meetings, and tried to work with my sponsor. I've been feeling hopeless about my prospects lately, but this newcomer forum has brightened my day considerably. My most recent excuse for not getting to meetings is not wanting to introduce myself as having under 30 days, (snivel... whine...). I remember that during my very first 30 days there was a guy who seemed to make the same meetings and who had the same number of "days". We provided encouragement to each other when it came time to raise our hands, and looked forward to seeing each other at the next meeting. I'd forgotten about that fellowship until I read these posts. Thank you all.


Member: Eddie B. DOS 2\9\88
Location: Miami
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 10:16 PM

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I was told no one ever died from a lack of sleep, wasn't much help at the time but they were right. I've learned to stop turning my difficult or uncomfortable experiences into problems. When I had my 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd drinking and drugging dream I thought I had better tell my sponser...he said "if you have one of those dreams tonite, how about buying me a drink!" Its nice to have a sense of humor about ourselves.


Member: Ed Z.
Location: Ohio
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 11:04 PM

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Ed Z. alcoholic. We don't die from lack of sleep or emotional pain from a desire to drink. British Columbia is known to some as one of the most beautiful scenic areas of the world. However, beauty is in Arizona, Michigan, New York and Ohio. Beauty is inside ourselves as well as our outside environment. Alcoholics anonymous is stronger than the cunning, baffling and powerful negative results to alcohol addiction. I sleep one day at a time and I stay sober one day, hour, minute, and seconds at a time. I drank for over 25 years. Sleep, relaxation,and self esteem do not come back in a night or a few 24 hours.


Member: gallagher
Location: seoul, korea
Date: December 12, 2002
Time: 11:07 PM

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having trouble maintaining sobriety. 3 days seems to be the longest i've been able to resist over the past 15 months or so. i think i really need a week in a rehab to get me focused. does anyone have information about cheap or free rehabs in the usa? do most states have a free clinic? i don't have health insurance either. can medicaid/medicare or something like that cover the costs if you don't have the money? also, any information regarding the drug antabuse would be helpful. my plan is to do 7 days in a rehab and then get released on antabuse to discourage starting the drink again. i also want to follow it with 90 days and 90 meetings. has anyone used antabuse and found it helpful? are there any negative side effects? it seems like a logical deterrent to impulse drinking. and i've heard, even if you stop taking the drug, you have to wait like a week before drinking again. nevertheless, i don't hear about many alcoholics taking this drug. is there a reason? thanks. sorry for being off topic. insomnia is also a problem for me. i hope after getting sober, my body will adjust to it's natural sleep patterns. herbal teas, hot baths, reading a good book, plenty of exercise, and sex seem like the logical anodynes in regards to the inability to fall asleep. good luck my brethren, gallagher


Member: kat
Location: alberta
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 12:16 AM

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hi all i have decided to quit drinking wow i know this is gonna hurt.i work in a bar and like to drink right after work.i have not had a drink in4 days and i am really craving a beer.the only problem with that is i never stop at one.i dont know how to quit as i have never tried it so stay tuned thanks


Member: Kathleen
Location: Florida
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 01:45 AM

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Hi everyone. Kathleen here alcholic. I had alot of trouble sleeping in the beginning too. Writing helped me. Journeling was a good way of releasing my thoughts. And reading the big book and praying. I really enjoy reading all the posts. Brings back memories. I couldn't stay sober past a year until I did my 4th and 5th steps..those seemed to be the key to freedom for me and I started sleeping alot better after I got rid of all that guilt and the resentments that were there. As far as drinking dreams go I haven't had one in a long time but when I used to have them would think of them as reminders from God as to what I'm NOT missing in my life. Welcome to all the new folks and keep coming back it really does work if we work it... Kathleen


Member: Kelly M
Location: New Hampshire
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 02:39 AM

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Hi ((Lonnie S.)), I have been working on doing my 'own' inventory lately. It has been an eye opener for sure. In the 'Daily Reflections' book on page 297 they have, "My Checklist, Not Yours". It might be of some help to you and your husband. I like how it ends..... Today the only inventory I need to take is my own. I'll leave judgement of others to the Final Judge- Divine Providence...Easy Does It.......Kelly


Member: DorothyM
Location: Australia
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 03:27 AM

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Hi Dorothy here. I am soooooo glad I have found this site. Today is the first day of sobriety. Today is the first time I have admitted to myself that I am an alcoholic. I have spent years knowing I had a problem but not facing just what a huge problem it is. I have lost friends and made a fool of myself countless times.. I feel both embaressed and guilty. Last night I did it again at a Christmas function for a friends work. I need help! I will visit here everyday and now I've admitted it I will de everything I can to change my life. I would really like a sponsor. I can't face going to a meeting just yet so I will download that big book and would like to know if there are any other resources I can get on line. God Bless you all.


Member: LukeK
Location: USA
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 08:33 AM

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Luke here, still an alcoholic, now 4 days removed from drinking. This is truly a great place to come for support and sharing. Just reading the accounts from the other newcomers helps me stay focused on the seriousness of my own situation and why I can never ever go back. I find my worst time is approaching bedtime when I get very anxious about a lot of things. That is when my guilt and other negative thoughts seem to come coursing through brain. Taking time to just relax and not focus too hard is important for me then. Thinking too deeply then precipitates insomnia for me. I do my deep thinking and praying in the morning after coffee.


Member: Kim C
Location: BC, Canada(bc_girl@mail.com)
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 08:39 AM

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GOOD morning to all. I hit a personal milestone today...the first time in two years I have been sober for six FULL days! I have had a few people tell me it may go easier if I don't "count the days" so I will stop after this little *pat on the back*....YEAH ME!!!! Thank God, thank you (((ALL))) for being part of what has kept me sober, and will help keep me sober TODAY. Blessings and my thoughts to everyone who needs them. I am struggling myself, can offer no guidance, but I still empathize(sp?) and wish you the BEST. Have a happy, and sober Friday ALL Kim


Member: kat
Location: alberta
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 09:55 AM

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today is friday lets pray for sobriety


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 10:35 AM

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Bill P. here, still alcoholic. ((Kim C. )) - Checking in here too! Way to go on six days! We're all pulling for you! ((Ken C.)) - Thanks for your honesty and guts to come back. I believe you are lucky, some of us aren't able to come back and suffer the consequences. We all know what those are. Boy, the common denominator of "slips" is the drifting away and not going to meetings, isn't it? I sat at a table just yesterday and met Dean. He had 2 1/2 years sobriety and walked around the corner to the party store. He said he didn't even think about the consequences, he just bought the whiskey and drank it. Three days later he realized he had gone right back to where he was before he stopped drinking. He told me that he quit going to meetings....... that phrase that statement makes me nervous. I had seven months on Wednesday, and I never want to go back to the misery. I can do it one day at a time. Thanks for being here and for reminding me how this disease works. God Bless You.


Member: Renee
Location: Apalachicola,Fla
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 10:57 AM

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((kat--Alberta Ca)) Being in and OUT of AA for almost 4 yrs taught me several things.THIS Program is the easier,softer way. I always thought my way was easier. But each time I went out I seemed to hit the ground harder. I NEVER did what anyone suggested.like get a sponser, read the BB, go to meetings, try 90 in 90.Whe I finally decided that I was insane.I tried what was suggested.I got the sponser, did 90 in 90, read everything in AA icould and found a conscious contact with my HP. I also have done bar/food service for over 20 yrs. I had to quit that job and change my playground and my playmates. That was important for ME. This is a simple program.but it is not easy. But I wanted what I saw in other people in the Program. Enough so that I took to bed after my last drunk and surrended to God. I accepted that I was alcoholic and that I could NOT manage my own Life. But "God could and Would, IF HE were Sought"........I came Home when I joined the Fellowship of AA. Good Luck.you're in the Right Place. Love, Renee


Member: thomas
Location: s.fl.
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 12:46 PM

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Good one Eddie B. Thanks to all for today.


Member: thomas
Location: s.fl.
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 12:59 PM

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Good one Eddie B. Thanks to all for today. By the way I came into this site 6 months ago wenesday and the first post I read was Bill P. in Migh. being excited about his first thirty (30)days So wether you know it or not Bill you've been a big help to me. If I don't see you posting for a few days I panic. So I'll keep looking for you and and thank you again in June 2003 when I celebrate a year and you have a year and 30 days. God bless.


Member: robin r
Location: delaware
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 01:06 PM

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i have a question...is the date that everyone uses as a sobriety date the last night we got drunk or the day after? the last night i got drunk was dec. 7th, 2002....i hope that never changes..


Member: Joe P
Location: Chicago
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 02:44 PM

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Robin R - I've heard people count it both ways. I take it the way my sponsor gave it to me. My last drink was 4/15/99. My sobriety date is 4/16/99, the first day that I didn't drink. (((Everybody))) - Most important day is today! The way to keep your sobriety date the same is to not drink TODAY! Happy Friday to all. Don't drink, go to meetings.


Member: Bill P.
Location: Michigan
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 03:07 PM

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Eddie B. - Thnaks for the post. I have seven months sobriety and have had three drinking dreams. I'm glad I have them because (after all, it's only a dream) they remind me why I came here in the first place. I was so sick of being miserable, fearful, angry, a victim, and all of those demoralization emotions. I don't ever want to go back to that and give up everything I've gained through working this program one day at a time. ((Joe P.)) - Thanks for keeping me sober today. I always like to see what you have to say. You're working the 12th step with this alcoholic. God Bless You. ((Thomas - S Fl)) - I love how this program works. By showing up sober and trying to help others, we strengthen our own sobriety. Thanks for passing on your comments. I'm always checking in to see how people are doing. "WE" take care of each other because we all need help and we know we can't do it alone. It does get better, it really does! Take care.


Member: Corinne B.
Location: RainyEastCoast, FL
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 03:12 PM

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To Robin R in Delaware - As it was explained to me, since Doctor Bob's last drink was the morning of June 15, 1935 - and AA dates it's origins to that date, then we (if we decide to do it this way, too) can use the date we last took a drink as our sobriety date. I used to use the time and date after I had been sober a full 24 hours as the beginning of day one, but someone on the Coffee Pot pointed out that the time a baby is born begins their day one in life, not 24 hours later. That made sense to me, so since my last drink was at about 7pm on April 7, 1999, that is my sobriety date, the date I said, "No thanks - I've had enough" and declined to drink anymore. About Insomnia - After that date mentioned above, I went through about 5 months of Insomnia that started somewhere in mid-late June of 1999. During that 5 months, I slept only about 20 minutes a night, and then about every 12th night or so, I might sleep a full 4 hours (wow!). And that had somewhat to do with having to get off Xanax that I had gone back on in January following a 9 day binge while trying to get sober again when I also began to lose sleep during the binge (I came back to AA after 6 1/2 years away). I also lost all my sense of taste about 2 months into not being able to sleep that latter half of 1999. Point being, somehow, I didn't drink - it is possible to stay sober and not die while not sleeping.


Member: Karen P.
Location: Wrightsville & Atlanta, GA
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 08:28 PM

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(Bob P.) Thanks for your comments. They were helpful. I do that half-empty thing a lot. I'm sober today and pleased about it. I also picked up my nine month chip last week. Thanks for letting me share and for being here.


Member: Brea B. Brea@sobercity.com
Location: South Carolina
Date: December 13, 2002
Time: 10:22 PM

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Wow! Lots of good posts and interresting perspectives. I couldn't help but smile at how time consuming not drinking is. I spend so much time each day thinking about not drinking and taking measures to keep up my non-drinking. Then at the end of the day, I feel so proud that I've had such a productive and successful day, not for what I ~DID~ do but for what I ~DIDN'T~ do. "Hmmmm.... what'd you do today?" "I didn't drink today." Good job! Angela, I'd love to email you but I didn't see your email address. I have two kids too ages 7 and 9. I have been feeling quite self centered too. It seems that I go on and on and on about how hard this is and how much I want a drink. Then I realize that so does the other alcoholic that I'm talking to! So, I tell about me and they listen, then they tell me about themselves and I listen. That's how we help each other. We understand each other. I understand the comment that there is a stigma to it. Most people who are not alcoholics do not understand. They think that we just need to use self control and not drink. I can also understand why most people here say go to f2f meetings but not everyone feels comfortable with that for whatever reason and although it might be more beneficial to do so, some people will never do that. Or maybe they won't until they come to grips with this and feel that they are comfortable talking about it. The internet offers so much interaction for those who don't feel comfortable face to face, talking about it out loud in front of a group but yet feel the need to share and feel that they're not alone in this and feel the extreme need to be understood. There is this wonderful website with this discussion board which is very helpful as well as online chat, email, and other resources which *can* be enough for some people. It sure is better than nothing if they choose not to go to f2f meetings. The very fact that there is a stigma to this is the whole reason this was named Alcoholics ANONYMOUS in the first place. Whatever works to help us live a life free of this addiction. I remember when I was about 18 and I worked at a place where there was somebody who was in AA. I remember people talking about her and that she was an alcoholic and in AA. The general perception as it appeared to me was that she was somehow "broken". I think AA is a wonderful thing and we all need each other but we should take it in any form that is comfortable to us for whatever reason it is comfortable to us. ((Luke)) As far as using alcohol for self medication goes, I can totally relate. I have struggled with anxiety and depression for years too (I'll bet a lot of us have). I used to have OCD really bad and would find alcohol a great big help in dealing with that mental hell. So, then finally I conquered that and ended up with this! A lot of people drink to numb the pain of something else. Then we end up with two problems instead of one. Of course there are those that just love it too much I suppose and that's what got them hooked. I don't know. I know I love it and wish I could do it normally but when I do it I just don't want to stop. I think it's great that some of you have so much time in your sobriety! The fact that you're so happy in your lives now and that you share that on here gives me the motivation to keep on not drinking. So, thank you so much for that. Robin R, we have the same sobriety date. The last night I drank was Dec. 7th also. I don't know what date you're counting as your sobriety date but I'm counting mine as Dec. 8th since I drank on the 7th. I just finished my 6th day without drinking. I'm not ready to stop counting the days yet! Bob P. -LOL @ ripping the one kid's shirt!! :-P Now, I bet you thought I'd never get around to the topic, but speaking of insomnia, if I need to, I take a sleeping pill (but not every night because they're addictive too if you do it every night!) and I don't feel the least bit guilty about it (substituting one drug for another). I can remember a time not so long ago when I used to drink a lot, smoke weed, AND take a sleeping pill before I would finally pass out and go to sleep. Looking forward to better days. Thank you all for your posts, it's so great to know I'm not alone in this and that it can be done successfully! Oh, by the way, hot chocolate is great at bedtime (with milk, not water). Mmmmmmm... Good night everyone. Sweet dreams.


Member: kat
Location: alberta
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 01:38 AM

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i went to work today some guys had a christmas party they drank to get drunk one fella fell over a table hurt himself i could see how embarassed he was the other 3 young guys were walking into the doors and walls and i am like oh my god have i ever looked that bad ..probably.i was so stressed out from all of the kaos and all worried my boss was going to come unglued on me for overserving these fellas i went and sat down and drank 2 beers.i dont know what made me do that here i am trying to quit watching these people in utter dispair and if that is not enough to tell me look look at this....i am so pissssssssed off at me for having a drink i gotta quit. kat


Member: Renee
Location: Apalachicola, Fla
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 02:13 AM

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((kat)) I was worried about you today. I posted a message for you in the Coffeepot earlier this evening. I'm sorry to hear that you felt like you had to drink over that. Tomorrow is another day...it's just for today that you have to stay Sober. Get to a meeting asap. It makes a difference. A drink isn't going to make anything any better.only worse. Get the Big Book and read the first 164 pages. Things do get better. You'll be amazed before you are halfway thru.WE are going to know a New Freedom and New Happiness.. this is from THE PROMISES. Please read the Big Book. I so want other alsoholics to have the peace and serenity I have found thru Alcoholics Anonymous. Love, Renee


Member:
Location:
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 05:39 AM

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Bob here, alcoholic. For those wanting to get and stay sober an inventory is a must. (147 musts in Big Book) This is a good principle. We use it almost daily. Grocery lists, things to do, Santa's list, etc. It is not a judgement. It is a list of what you have/what you want or what you don't want. In Chapter 5 we are told to take others inventory. It says "if you want what we have" meaning we look at what they have, (a list) and ask those that have the attributes we want to show us how they got them. Go to any store in your neighborhood. Ask to see the manager and tell them you would like to know if they take a written inventory of what they sell/have on hand, etc. It is so simple. It is easy. Fear of disclosure may drive you out but booze will drive you back. Third edition of BB says "we took each others inventory firmly and often". Why? because they cared about each other and wanted to help each other LIVE ! The problem is most take others inventory/make judgements and condemn them for what they see, not knowing it is themselves they see being mirrored. So if someone does what you don't like, write it down, sign it and realize it is what you recognise in yourself. I love it when others tell me what they don't like about me, saves me time in looking. I write it down if it is true, sign it and share it. I love inventories. I raise rabbits, take inventory each day of how many, what kind to keep and breed, which ones to sell, how much feed they have, which ones were bred and to whom. Ask Santa if lists work, then look for someone who has what you want and see if they will help you get it. God bless all you in your effort to get sober. bobsbunnies@voyager.net


Member: Kathy P.
Location: Mass
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 08:24 AM

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Good morning everyone. Kathy P. alcoholic here, but 47 days sober. I can't relate to this weeks' topic since I've slept better than I have in years since I quit drinking. I used to wake frequently to use the bathroom of course, but worse than that was waking up with heart palpatations and feeling so dry that I needed several glasses of water. It was sometimes 2 or 3 hours before I could get back to sleep. On top of that I had to get up at 5:15 am to go to work! Now I sleep great, so I am very thankful for that. Last night for the first time however I did have one of those "drinking dreams" I've heard refered to on this site. I dreamed that I had a lovely sparkling glass of champagne in a beautiful flute and enjoyed it so much that I planned to have more. I think that is what woke me up, my conscience telling me that I could not have any more! Anyway I laughed about it afterward, but it helped me to understand what you all have been talking about. So that's all I have to share today except to reiterate to all those newly sober to read the Big Book. It really helped me since I don't go to meetings. Have a great day everyone.


Member: Babette R
Location: Jerusalem
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 10:12 AM

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Babette here, alcoholic. I had a hard time sleeping for the first month sober. I was coming off pills too so that didn't help. I'd toss and turn all night and sleep only l0-l5 minutes at a time. I knew no one ever died from lack of sleep but how many went permanently crazy? When I had 90 days my doctor put me on Paxil for GAD (General Anxiety Disorder) and since then I rarely have had a sleepless night. But those early days were horrible all I thought about was not sleeping. At about 2 weeks sober I slept about 4 hours and was estactic. It passes, and your body has to get used to falling asleep naturally not passing out. Congratulations to all those with # days sober. I have l0 months after slipping after 5 years sober. Thanks for letting me share.


Member: LukeK
Location:
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 02:21 PM

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Luke, alcoholic, and glad to be back to share again. Today marks 5 days sober and it least for now, I find counting the days to be helpful and a rewarding experience. Thanks (Brea) for your comments! They were most encouraging and made me feel better and not left out just because I'm not presently going to f2f meetings. I am REALLY meditating on the AA program and thinking deeply about steps 2 and 3. At an online meeting yesterday, some felt I am ready to start taking inventory. Last night was a test as we had a party at my house with about a dozen guests almost all of whom were drinking. I was even offered a glass of wine already poured. I just said no thanks and drank water. It felt good to pass a test because I know more and harder ones are coming. Times when I might being experiencing some of the HALT moments. Just being able to go online and share with other alcoholics who understand means so much and is so supportive. Thank you all.


Member: Simon
Location: Ontario
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 02:53 PM

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Hi all, Simon here, infrequent contributer but now on my 11th day. 2 days in I wrote here about my insomnia....Since then, my quantity of sleep hasn't improved much, but the quality sure has. It's nice being able to remember my dreams when I wake up in the morning. I've read about some of the other problems or addictions that crop of upon giving up alcohol such as chocolate cravings, caffeine and yes insomnia. Well someone about a week ago wrote 'insomnia never killed anyone'. I am applying that to other things as well. I have noticed a renewed taste for chocolate and I think I am single-handedly keeping Maxwell House in business. Do I care? No! I'd rather be sleeping 2 hours a night, gain 5 pounds from chocolate and be bouncing off the walls from coffee than be a drunk again. I'm not going to sweat the small stuff. Cheers


Member: Amanda
Location: NW Montana
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 07:10 PM

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Amanda, Alcoholic. Congratulations to all of you who are racking up the days of sobriety!! Keep It Up! Isn’t it so very cool how one day at a time turns into 2 then 4, then 5 then a week then two weeks and then into months! Just so you know, the first few months are the most difficult. I just want to offer some encouragement. IT DOES GET EASIER! The insomnia goes away. I sleep like a baby now. And as your body heals from the ravages of alcohol, many of you will crave it less and less. Some who have very bad addictons never completely lose the cravings but that is not true for most of us. I have to say that I am not in early sobriety but like to offer words of praise and a voice of at least a little experience on this web site when I am able to do so. That is part of the program is to give back. I am so impressed with this group who is beginning sobriety and hanging-tough during the holidays. The holidays are when many of us with years of sobriety under our belts, slip. BIG KUDOS for every day each of you make it!!!! I think the holidays are especially challenging because of all the parties, all the alcohol in our face and for some, the need to deal with all of the emotions of family get-togethers, for others the lack of family and/or loneliness. My first Christmas was a more than a bit tough for me but now, not drinking at parties and family get-togethers comes naturally. The really cool thing is realizing that today, I don’t even WANT to drink. And you will have a day in the near future where the same realization will come to you… hey, I really do not want to drink. Hey, I CHOOSE not to drink. Today it is relatively easy for me because I know what happens to me with alcohol on my brain and it is NOT pretty, cute or even the slightest bit cool. I used to feel very odd at gathers that I did not have a drink in my hand (very stupid but I did feel that way). What I have found out is that normal people, that do not have the disease of alcoholism, could really care less what I am drinking. The people who are concerned or who give me a bad time about not drinking, I have noticed drink way too much themselves. I have come to the conclusion that my not drinking makes them uncomfortable because they are already consciously or unconsciously uncomfortable with their own drinking. Last night at a work related Christmas party some people were not drinking at all, and most of the people were drinking pretty casually. I just had seven-up with a lime, which was fine with me. Two ladies from work who have a reputation for being fun party-girls showed up. Mid-way through the party, I could see just how much they were partying!. I like them at work but I was more than moderately embarrassed for them at the party. I am sure they do not feel like “fun” party-girls today. I am also confident that I will not be talked about at work on Monday but I can guarantee they will be the brunt of many jokes. The sad part of it is, I doubt they will remember their bad behavior. I am not judging them, I have no right to judge them. I know I was at least that far gone or worse in my drinking days. Today I think why would I ever want to be in that place again. ICK. The mornings of not remembering what I did, how I got home or racking my brain, wondering how badly did I embarrass myself? Did I loose any friends or say anything that I will regret? Oh yeah, those thoughts make me want to party some more! NOT! I sure don’t miss those "good times." Seeing them last-night was VERY sobering! Well thanks for letting me share! Take care and do so one day at a time.


Member: Buddy
Location:
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 07:56 PM

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A terrible slip Wednesday and Thursday. My wife has left me. My parents and sisters are hurt and worried. My wife is being very kind inasmuch as she is splitting time with our 4 y.o. daughter. Lots of pain here. Is this "the bottom"?


Member: Opal
Location: MI
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 10:25 PM

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(Buddy) I am so sorry to hear about all of the problems you are having right now. If it were me, that would be the bottom, in fact it was. But at this most horrid place in my life, I got on my knees and surrendered, truly surrendered to God and asked him to take the problem of alcohol from me. He did, and through hard work and time, I got my family back. I truly hope you find sobriety and God will take it from there.


Member: kat
Location: alberta
Date: December 14, 2002
Time: 11:36 PM

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hi all thanks renee thats real sound advice and i am going to take it,i dont want to drink anymore period. kat


Member: Mike W.
Location: Hillsdale, Mi. USA
Date: December 15, 2002
Time: 12:05 AM

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I'm Mike and I'm a low bottom drunk, getting better again 1 day at a time. Thanks to AA and A God of my own understanding ( NOT ME ) I can Choose today Whether or not I Drink alcohol.. If I could do it on my own I wouldn't need AA , God, You people or asponcer to help me to get the deal through my muttled thinking. I gave up on the idea that I could do this any other way that Thousands of successful others who have gone before me have this deal down to a fine science. This is a matter of how many Yets do I need to figure out ..."I am POWERLESS OVER ALCOHOL... When I Drink,, It just don't work out how I'd like.. I mean I Break out in HAndcuffs or fights or trees jump out in front of my vehicle... I CAN"T DRINK SUCCESSFULLY !!! AA is the only thing that has Removed my old nature from " Driving the Bus" Thanks for helping me today ! Mike W. plumbfitter2000@yahoo.com


Member: Gage
Location: BR
Date: December 15, 2002
Time: 04:00 AM

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BUDDY, from the post above. I'm wondering if you are Buddy on the North Shore who was posting here a while back. If you are, (but even if you're not), I'd like to try to help. I think I know what you are going through. Write me: gage022501@aol.com